and now we're live councilors the
reciting of our councilor declaration we
the councilors of the City of Ballarat
declare that we will carry out our
duties in the best interest of the
community and through collective
leadership maintain the highest
standards of good governance we would
like to acknowledge the traditional
custodians of the land on which we meet
this evening the Wada Wurrung people and
recognize their continuing connection to
the land and waterways we pay our
respects to the elders past present and
emerging and extend this to all Aboriginal
and Torres Strait Islander people that are
joining us in the chamber or are joining
us online this evening thank you
councilors this meeting is being
broadcast on the internet and the
recording of the meeting will be
published on council's website good
evening to everyone that is in the
gallery this evening and to those that
are joining us online there are
certainly some new faces that we haven't
seen in the council chamber before so
welcome and for coming along to our
final council meeting for
2023 council's item two on the agenda is
the apologies for absence we have
apologies from councilor Taylor and
councilor Johnson move councilor
Hargreaves seconded councilor Harris all
those in favour against the motion is
carried and of course Councilor Moloney is
joining us from sunny Brisbane to work
and thank you for joining us councilor
Moloney uh councilor's item three is any
disclosures of interest in relation to
any agenda items this evening if there
are any there are none moving along
matters arising from the previous
minutes if there are none confirmation of
the minutes of the meeting on the 13th
of December move councilor Harris
seconded councilor Eddie any discussion
councilors I'll put the motion all those
in favour the motion is
carried public question time we'll
declare public question time starting at
6:34pm
we have a number of public questions
which have been submitted some that will
be in person to be presented but the
first one from Ash Pigram who is not
attending so that will be read out by Mr
Montgomery thank you and through you Mr
Mayor the question is as follows I'm
disappointed in a Mayor's response to
recent criminal events specifically
on the 13 November in which a disabled
young girl visiting Ballarat was
assaulted with a metal chain to her face
and the 3rd of December in which Nazis
were given a police escort rather than
moved on to quote our Mayor we're a city
that accepts diversity in a whole range
of different ways but the lackluster
response to violent assaults on
minorities speaks otherwise can the
council and specifically the Mayor give us
residents hope the crime is being taken
seriously by the council and police and
what is a tangible plan being put in
place to tackle this thank you Miss Pigrim
for your question and certainly we are a
city that expects people to be able to
move around our city freely and without
um becoming the subject to violent
attacks I am aware that the offender for
the assault on the young uh 12-year-old
Sri Lankan girl has been processed by
Victoria Police um and also in relation
to the
actions that related to the public
demonstration um the police response did
fall in accordance with their protocol
for their enforcement of public
demonstrations which is to keep the
peace they have monitored video
surveillance and I don't believe there
is any follow-up action that has arisen
from that so um certainly we do
encourage everyone to be able to live in
a very free and just community and to do
so
safely the next question is from Annette
McMaster who is
attending please come forward Miss McMaster
sorry councilor oh sorry councilor Harris
before
so just
yeah this those couple of events they
really did resonate you know with the
community and um I think submited for
the question the Nazi you know rally
like I mean what a pathetic group of
people to have in a city um I thank you
for your responses which I thought were
fairly you know clear at the time and
you never know how to respond to to that
I mean it is it is just pathetic
um uh I think it really should be in the
realm of rotten fruit and flour
and if they come back again it as
strongly suspect that's what what we
should do it just uh it appalled me um
and uh you know a
city uh plainly they're not from here
but I mean the bottom line is that you
don't want our city associated with it
so I think it's something that we we do
have to address and that other
unfortunate episode that you're saying
again I think that resonated so many
people I think came up to most
councilors and said look we've got to do
better as a city um to have that sort of
episode happen I'm glad that
someone's been um uh taking you know
that that matter is being managed by
Victoria police as it should do but uh
it's something we need to keep an eye on
and I think it's very reasonable our
community you know have those concerns
thank you Councilor Harris and agree the
the attack on the the 12-year-old girl
the circumstance around her
vulnerability I think was apparent to
absolutely most people that followed
that particular incident but also the
national media that was in Ballarat
following the demonstration protest
whatever you like the Vox popping that
some of the media outlets did the united
response from everyone was that that
does not respect what represent what Ballarat
is about we are far greater than what
those that chose to demonstrate under a
pretty ordinary banner were about so Miss
McMaster thank you very much if you could
please just repeat your name and the
suburb where you reside and then over to
your question yes Annette McMaster Ballarat East
thank you right uh Mayor and councilors
we have appealed to Pal Corp through
Council and our local member Michaela
Settle MP to advocate on our behalf for
Pal Corp to acknowledge 203 York street
is no longer an appropriate site for a
major zone substation to no avail Pal
Corp care about us the residents the
impact on our mental and physical health
or ? and property devaluations they
treat not only residents with contempt
but you our Council they are creating an
ugly monster within three blocks of our
heritage CBD for the cheapest dollar
they don't care about the lasting image
of Ballarat in on tourists local interstate
or overseas all Pal Corp one of the
biggest businesses operating in
Australia care about are dollars and
profits makes you wonder why the SEC was
ever sold off they pass the buck and
tell us they have to take the lowest
cost option because of the Australian
economic regulator question is it at all
possible for Council to write to the
Australian economic regulator asking for
an increasing money to Pal Corp in order
for them to acquire a site in a more
appropriate area or councilors what will
it take to apply to the minister to
rezone the land 203 York Street to a
more appropriate Zone other than a
utility zone thank you very much for the
question uh director Robertson through you
Mr Mayor and thank you for the question
Miss McMaster in relation to the economic
regulator question i' I'd like to take
it on notice and inform myself of the
process of that um and then I am very
comfortable to brief and advise
councilors but also to come back to you
as well Miss McMaster on what our
ability is in terms of approaching the
um economic regulator but second to that
the question regarding the rezoning it
it's going to come up again tonight
because I think um uh another Miss McMaster
Angela is going to ask a question about
it um I'll answer it here but I'll
probably repeat myself that's all if
you're comfortable with that so um so in
terms of resoning the
land City of Ballarat is responsible for
the administration of the planning
scheme um for amendments um and this
includes land reasoning which ultimately
becomes a part of our planning scheme
the land zoning in this case probably
wouldn't change the status of the land
for all the issues that are raised by
the community including flooding and all
those things um um but what we have to
do is we have to um take the strategic
merit and um and decide whether there is
ability or enough content to be able to
apply to change a zone and in doing that
before an amendment to rezone land can
be prepared it must be authorized by the
minister for planning to identify
whether a proposed amendment is
consistent with State policy and
interest to ensure that it makes an
appropriate use of the land in this
instance the land has been zoned for
public use um for the intent of utility
installation and it's been designated
for an electrical substation or a
utility installation since the
1970s so the process of applying for
an amendment has at a guess that
there would be a strong argument if we
applied to the minister that the site is
has been well established for its
intent for a long time and that
therefore um it would be unlikely that
would be we would be successful in
a quick application for an amendment
for a
rezone thank you director Robertson your
second
question yes well it's to do with
flooding and um uh just last October the
volume of rushing water was so strong
washed away a large part of the heritage
brick drain near the intersection of Callow
Montrose Street uh flash floods even lifted
the sewer lids in Callow Street and
if storm water is stopped from getting
into our sewer system then it stands to
raising flooding will be even worse and
counting all the new residences in that
block between York King and Callow
Street and the Penny Wake Galley since
uh 1950 or 1972 rather there's now 40
new residences and the and a lot of
concrete so we get a lot of water run
off but there's 40 residences just in
that block that weren't there when it
was granted to the SEC so I think this
is probably really a very much a
residential area
thank you very much and before I take a
response from director Robertson Council
Moloney you've got your hand up and I
apologize if I missed your hand going up
and whether it related to the previous
question uh no thanks Mr Mayor it's
probably best that we let the director
answer that question first then I'll ask
a secondary question afterwards thank
you you direct director okay good thank
you well the question uh sorry sorry
Miss Mc Master sorry if I asked it question oh
okay so electricity and water don't
mixed uh the SEC the City of Ballarat
and the Corangamite Water Catchment area all
acknowledge this as a flood zone so is
there any way Council can work with
Corangamite Catchment Authority uh to
acquire this site as it's rather
valuable as a retention area to stop the
flooding of about 400
homes thank you for the question
director Robertson through you Mr Mayor
thank you for the question again Miss McMaster
um the segway is not prohibited and it's
similar to dwellings that exist in this
location that are also affected by
potential flood inundation um provided
the development has regard to that and
the development can be can satisfy that
it will mitigate flooding or in fact
improve the potential for flooding um
there's very little we could do in that
respect um or use it as an argument for
this site um
uh in terms of acquisition of the site
the site is not for sale that's one
important component and um and as an
officer I'm not in a position councilors
to commit to that uh in terms of the
land acquisition with you understanding
the process so um if Council directs me
I happy to brief you on a process of
this thank you director Robertson
councilor Moloney
yeah thanks Mr Mayor and maybe this is
not that was probably an okay ? into
what I'm about to ask anyway in the
sense that I I completely accept what
the director's uh director Robinson's
already outlined in regard to the
planning status of the land it's
difficult territory to work with yes
it's been there um and um you know zone
that way since the 70s um and I can
understand that Power Corp want to
take a hard line on that but um perhaps
through you Mr Mayor if the director is
able to give us an update on
any level of consultation that Power
Corp is open to with Council um that
might be useful um particularly if
there's any openness from that company
to discuss with us land swaps other
locations uh and a range of things like
that or are they now just logged down
and refusing to move thank you Council
Moloneydirector Robertson through you Mr
Mayor thank you for the question Council
Moloney I can say that Power Corp have
engaged with us they have shown shown us
sites that they've uh privately owned
sites that they have identified and
subsequently ruled out but we've also
engaged on potential other land parcels
um and for the purposes of privacy and
confidentiality and process there are
Council land involved in that as well I
can say power cor committed to go away
and do their due diligence and my last
followup with them was that they um had
not yet come to a conclusion or were not
yet in a position to come back to me one
way or
another thank you director Robertson
thank you Miss McMaster for your question
councilor McIntosh uh can I just ask a
question through you Mr Mayor to the
director and as we've just heard and I
know that um the council laws are very
familiar with this situation and the
concerns coming from the residents we
know that uh it's been since 1970 when
it was zoned and we know that but um the
authorities saying that there's been
plenty of time for the awareness of what
that zoning means and and what the
likely use would be however through that
period of time there's been 40 new
residents as we've just heard and and
possibly 400 or so that may be affected
by flood areas so there's been quite a
bit of change through that period of
time and it's also um fairly clear that
many of the people that bought in this
area were not aware that the land was
going to be used um for this particular
purpose and equally um signage was not
up all the time or uh clear to be able
to read or
interpret um the question that we heard
from Miss McMaster was around us uh
writing to the economic regulator and
and seeking further funding that might
allow then um the purchase of different
land uh or whether there may be other
opportunities I know we've heard of uh
the land swap conversation as well um
I'm just wondering is there an
opportunity for us to follow through
with that particular request for a
letter from our council with the
knowledge we understand everything
that's been said we understand very
clearly that it's been zoned since the
70s equally we understand that not
everyone in the community was aware of
that and so the situation is different I
think they're very being very hard-nosed
about the situation and I'm just
wondering can we follow through and
respond to Miss Mc Master's request
thank you director Robinson thank you
through you Mr Mayor thank you for the
question Council McIntosh I absolutely
commit to doing it what I I couldn't
expand on it I've asked Mr ? and
Miss McMaster to indulge me just while I
understand you know in writing to to the
um economic regulator would I do it with
um council's um recommendation for
example and refer back to that I just
want to have the time over the next
couple of days to get some um some
content that would make up a strong
letter that we could send and to
understand the process but I absolutely
commit to brief council and to and to
engage with Miss Mc Master on how that will
happen thank you director Robertson and
certainly Councilor McIntosh we as a group
and and Mayor I'm happy to sign and
continue to sign letters of advocacy to
whomever that we need to um to pursue
the issue fantastic so that was the main
reason that I've stood back up again Mr
Mayor we know this is our last open
Council chamber meeting for the year the
community are enormously concerned about
this and rightfully so uh I I would be
very concerned as a councilor to think
that we finish up over the Christmas
break and it's going to be a period of
time before we're back in the chamber
again but if we um have that knowledge
and assurity Mr Mayor that you would be
able to sign something like that off
there's obviously been a decision of
this Council chamber and each councilor
has supported in the same manner their
um concerns about this issue exactly
Councilor McIntosh I was going to suggest
exactly that the resolution of council
still stands it has no time parameter on
it so for us it is about any other
opportunity for advocacy we will take
that on behalf of the residents let's
see
uh next question is from Miss Angela
McMaster who is
attending and Miss McMaster if you could
just repeat your name and the suburb
where you reside and then over to your
question Angela McMaster Ballarat thank
you uh regarding rezoning of 203 York
Street Ballarat East we have a response from
Lily D'Ambrosio MP
who has stated that the
strategic planning department within
local Council Ballarat city council is
responsible for rezoning are you aware
of this yes uh the current Zone one of
the land at 203 York street is not
compatible with the immediate area being
residential why is the land not Zone
zoned as residential or as a reserve to
assist with flooding in the
area and director
Robertson through you Mr Marin thank you
for the question M McMaster um I I'll
just speak a little bit freely um on the
context of
um the land um applying appealing on the
grounds of flooding fire or anything
that a dwelling would have to also
demonstrate we could absolutely rule
that out as being a ground so when you
talk about the flooding because we know
that power cor have done the work to
rule that out they've even done um Flor
and forer assessments and all those
types of things so they probably aren't
a powerful ground to go to the minister
my drafted response was city of bat is
the um is responsible for the
administration of the planning scheme
amendment
process um which includes land resoning
which ultimately becomes part of the
planning scheme in this case the land
zoning does not change in status status
sorry for potential flooding and any
development would be required to
demonstrate how it would mitigate
flooding which is the current
circumstances um I believe power have
demonstrated how it would mitigate
flooding um which would not then be a
good grounds to apply to the minister
for a rezone um so this aside the
strategic planning team cannot simply
reone um before an amendment to rezone
land can be prepared it must be
authorized by the minister for
planning and um and M uh DM BR bro Rio
and I always get it wrong I'm sorry is
correct we are the authority but not
ultimately masters of our own destiny
because the minister for planning must
ultimately approve it um and
um the the minister of planning must um
identify whether the proposed amendment
is consistent with State policy um and
interests and ensure that it makes
appropriate use of the site in this
instance the land and I I'll say it
again and the land has been zoned for
public use for some time and has and has
been designated for that use for some
time and regardless of residential
developing around it which is not
prohibited and doesn't have setback
requirements this makes a very strong
argument that the intended use of the
site if we were to apply to the minister
is well established so a rezone based on
flooding I would foreshadow would be
unlikely to be
accepted thank you director Robertson
councilor
coats um thanks thanks director
Robertson for the answer it's it sounds
like a a bit of a confusing kind of
process and I suppose just to make it a
little bit
simpler hypothetically who could apply
to to have the um the zoning
changed um and just just to clarify what
what you say about that director
Robertson you Mr Mayor thank you Council
cootes We Are The Authority for planning
scheme amendments in terms of
administration so if Council were to
direct me to start the process to apply
for a planning scheme amendment I think
my council is very aware of the
complexities of that uh and the
Strategic work that would need to be
done firstly and then it is back into
the chambers for Council to accept that
and then an application to the minister
to accept
the proposed planning scheme Amendment
so when we try to simplify it I still
can't simplify it but ultimately if
Council directs me to write to the
minister seeking a planning scheme
Amendment for a reone there still has to
be substantial work done to first come
back to you to make a case to a minister
thank you director Robertson councilor
Harris thanks Mr M I mean it's just
exasperating so I feel sorry for you
just even that process of going to the
minister and getting that sort of
response back saying oh it's a council
Dynamic um yeah I you
know it dealing with these people has
just
been unfathomable because I mean in many
respects even at this time I'm not even
sure about the functional dynamics of it
if you know if it has to be within a
certain radius or whatever I just don't
know you know never heard from their
Engineers really what the actual
specifics of it are and then um other
for the fact that it probably would be
ultimately so unsuccessful but you you
do feel like you should here the
minister saying well you can have it
zoned well you know we'll go you go
through that process I just feel in my
heart it's going to fall on deaf ears
but gosh what a mess you know I just I I
feel sorry for the residence I I'm just
not sure how we should go forward but um
I'd be interested to see that response
back from the minister because if it's
in reality detailing a way forward that
The Minister's outlined to our community
I'd be more than happy to proceed with
it but um as I said the I feel that
maybe that's more spite than anything
else I'm just not sure that The
Minister's likely to change in the in
the long run but uh we do need some some
basic questions answered about this and
I think we should be demanding that of
power core again I know it you know it
was maybe a year or two they presented
to us and it was in the end um it was a
bit underwhelming even at the time when
they spoke about you know what
consultations they were going to have
and we asked fairly uh rudimentary
questions I think of them of the the
time and never really have you know
succeeded in getting a straightforward
answer so um I hope as we go forward
perhaps we could be appraised of where
we're going and um uh perhaps have those
um more forthright discussions with them
I think councilor Harris part of it is
also engaging the local state member who
can potentially knock on the door of the
two ministers Minister D Ambrosio and
Minister Kil Kenny one Minister for um
responsibility with with power cor and
energy and the other minister for
planning are the two key ministers that
you think need to intervene to be able
to make this happen in a timely manner
councilor
McIntosh uh thanks very much Mr Mayor
just to follow on from councilor
Harris's um concerns for the situation
as well I'm wondering can't we just
simply write to the minister D Ambrosio
and request the a pathway forward a
reasonable pathway forward this is it
almost seems like a game to stop us from
even bothering doing anything it um is
not achieving anything for the local
community there's no point us saying
that we're not comfortable with it but
we can't do anything um I'd like to
think that we could write to the
minister D Ambrosio and also to member
Michaela SLE and I'm aware in fact I met
in her office as you know last week with
the residents um and I know that she's
very aware of the situation and and of
the local community concerns can't we
just write a letter to both of them and
request a pathway forward that is a
realistic one to consider a zoning
change rather than what uh our director
is saying is that it's a lengthy process
for us to do anything and it's going to
fall on Dees and we we spend a heap of
time doing doing it which is community
money as well um to end up with nothing
I feel like it's not good enough for us
to do nothing however Mr mes I'm just
wondering can we also follow through
with that process thank you councilor
MOS and we certainly have done all of
that written to um local member Michaela
settle as it falls in the Eureka seit
but we've also written to uh local
member for wender Juliana Addison and
rip and Martha halet um obviously both
Juliana and Martha have said they've
been briefed on it by uh Michaela she's
right across the issue the CEO and I met
with Michaela last week as part of our
advocacy and this was one of the things
that we raised certainly how powerless
we felt we feel in terms of this it's
it'ss outside of council process and our
advocacy that really needed to be with
the ministers um and happy to follow it
up we have written to both ministers
expressing that we feel as though the
location of it is in the wrong area and
we're standing United with the the
residents um and if we have to send
multiple letters more than happy for us
to continue to do that in line with our
resolution to continue to support
councilor Maloney you had your hand
up uh thank Mr possibly we're getting
into the debate I guess to some degree
um during question time and I'm happy to
perhaps go in a little bit more I think
once for get petition so might might
hold until then thank you for sure thank
you sorry can I one more before we move
on though sorry just following on from
that the um correspondence that we sent
to our state MPS was there much
back um just in in terms of nothing
formal other than the letter from um
members Addison and halet that they are
aware of the issue and that Min um
member settle is the responsible local
member and then having discussed it with
her last week she certainly indicated
that she was asking some questions and
following through on behalf of residents
but the veracity of of that we'll just
see what comes out in the weeks ahead
there
councilor C just a little bit further to
that I was just going to advise that
councilor McIntosh and myself met with a
number of residents at Michaela settle's
office as well um and she did commit to
to contact but we haven't actually heard
the the extent of what's actually
happened as a result of that so we may
actually um need residents to let us
know um what the outcome of of that has
been Mr
CEO s you Mr Mayor I was wondering uh
Miss McMaster if you could confirm my
understanding is the response you have
back from minister dambrosio is actually
the response that Michaela aedle has
received back from The Minister's um
letter to minister dambrosio is that is
that
correct I don't
know sorry it's um it's my understanding
that that is the formal response back
from the minister from the local members
letter
um
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resp certainly if there is some
clarification we are happy this is an
issue That Remains live that's there
that we are willing to continue to
explore all avenues even though we may
get correspondence back that's not what
we're after but we will continue to to
push Advocate uh and that is into next
year as well just because we come to the
end of the year doesn't mean this
advocacy position stops and I'll
continue to raise it with our local
members and with whatever other channels
that we can certainly do to support
residents as we go forward can I ask one
more question yes you may y thank you um
I know the council is meeting with power
cor do you have Council sitting in on
those meetings as a point of authority
as well as the strategic planning
department director Robertson I know I
haven't sat in on any of those meetings
at this stage they've been at an
operational level director Robertson
through you Mr Marin thank you um Miss
mcmas I think it was a direction of
council um as part of that debate and
discussion which formed the resolution
that you found the land was not suited
to the substation the sub the response
to that was that I would engage with
power cor so that we would stay um
informed of the process so I'm happy
councilors want to join me um certainly
speak to power cor when required and
we've had formal meetings as well and if
councilors want to join me that's
absolutely fine fantastic thanks M
mcmas sorry no for the moment thank you
councilor McIntosh uh through you Mr
Mayor um to director Robertson I think
that it would be great if we could at
least know if there are future meetings
with power core and that the council or
group has the
opportunity um to accept represent not
if if that's at all possible yep that's
fine councilor McIntosh um councilors we
do need a motion to extend Question Time
move councilor Hargrave second councilor
Harris all those in favour against that's
carried uh the next question is from Mr
robt goon who may or may not be joining
us so we'll be read out by Mr
Montgomery thank you and through you Mr
Mayor the question is as follows why
have ballat councilors officers
terminated all formal proper reference
to the correct recognition of the
Australian federal government declared
Australia Day 26 January to the now
reference being just 26 January event
director
Wilson through you Mr Mayor and thank
you Mr goon for that question um as Mr
goon uh references in his question it is
the Australian federal government that
declares the 26th of Janu as Australia
Day and Council continues to recognize
this in our Communications and
Publications however if there are
inconsistencies uh in our Communications
we will seek to rectify these going
forward thank you Mr Mayor thank you
director Wilson and second question the
second question is as follows as
Australia Day 26 January is a legally
formally recognized Australian public
holiday by our federal government what
rights do bat council's officers have to
freely alter the federal determination
against the Democratic choices of all
Ballarat citizens and will the Ballarat
councilor's officers consider changing
their current personal formal stance and
formally recognize the correct
determination of Australia Day 26th
January for all of Bor residents Bor
citizens director
Wilson three Mr mein thank you for that
second question Mr goon uh I guess
further to my response to the first
question Mr mayor council does recognize
that the 26th of January is Australia
Day as declared by the Australian
federal government thank you thank you
director Wilson Council McIntosh uh
through you Mr Mayor um whether it be to
the CEO or the director just following
on from those questions and the
responses as well um so does that mean
that we can be reassured that we we're
very aware that there is the survival
day the dawn service which um is a
beautiful service and many people attend
and that's been uh conducted over the
last couple of years at least um very
successfully uh does it also mean that
we will still be honoring Australia day
as we have with other events around the
lake and around the city um that we have
committed to in the past you director
Wilson through you Mr May and thank you
for that question Council McIntosh if I
could just refer Council back to its
standing resolution which was made in
December 2020 which outlines the the
range of activities currently supported
and provided by Council uh that that
gives the broad description of the range
of things that Council supports which
acknowledges the survival day Dawn
ceremony and acknowledges the picnic in
the park it currently acknowledges the
citizenship ceremony and other related
matters uh so uh to that extent I can
provide you the assurance that officers
are enacting council's standing
resolution thank you Mr Mayor thank you
director Wilson council's that is an end
to question time unless there are any
other questions from the
gallery we'll move into petitions item
7.1 is the objection to propos power cor
electrical substation at 203 York Street
and we have a public submission from um
Miss anet McMaster and Then followed by
Miss Jennifer Patterson so miss
McMaster
uh councilor sorry this seems a little
bit outdated now because this was in
before the prior
meeting so uh it was addressed to uh
Lily de
amorosi uh The Honorable Katherine King
uh The Honorable Michaela settle and uh
Mr Marcus Oliver head of project and
main major project
and maintenance at city power core and
to Major projects and also K Gorman and
then the city councilors and it's reging
the major project 203 York Street bad
East the purchase of the site 203 York
Street bad East was made in the 1970s a
long time ago and this site should be
considered no longer appropriate for the
purpose uh emfs flooding and comparisons
emfs it's not advisable to live near a
Transformer let alone a sub station as
there is no way to block emfs as they
can penetrate even lead shielding and
hence the only protection is to maintain
a safe distance from The Source all the
more reason for palor to locate the
substation in industrial area away from
houses it only stands to reason that
emfs will be greatly intensified around
a major project
substation uh so as not to knowingly
repeat the mistakes of asbest now is the
correct time for power Cor to relocate
the proposed substation to an industrial
or likewise area there are now plenty of
industrial areas in and around Ballarat
and areas reserved for mining flooding
203 York street is subject to flooding
it is a flood zone with climate change
we're experiencing more frequent heavy
downpours resulting in fles flooding and
just last octob October the volum and
Russia war was so strong washed away a
large part of the Heritage brick dra
near the intersection of Cam Monro
streets
uh flash floods even if the sewer LS in
C Street just opposite 203 York Street
in the last 30 years a volume of storm
waterer in the area has increased
significantly caused by the loss of
pervious area due to the development of
a large new primary school and many new
housing Estates all the way to the
Canadian State Forest the storm water
from all this new development flows from
under York Street on the east side of
203 York Street land and meets a water
flowing from another contributory which
carries storm water from properties all
the way along the south side of eure and
York streets from The Wildlife Park and
Beyond often causing flush flooding of
the lowl land of 203 York street during
heavy downpours the majority of 203 York
street is approximately 2 MERS lower
than the York Street Road this flood
area which is just a little lower than
callow Street holds water and helps
protect all the dwellings along cow
Street Main Road Steinfeld street right
along the Heritage Open drain now the
existing comparisons compared to other
listed sites of existing substations in
the bat area Norman Street it's huge
surrounded by factories and sports
grounds Douglas Street huge is in an
industrial estate with sports grounds
opposite Warren Heap huge Terminal
Station surrounded by a creatures 203
York street is surrounded by houses and
is only three blocks from the CBD York
Street also carries many locals and
tourists traveling between Sovereign
Hill and the Canadian State Forest and
the Wildlife Park it is a wildlife
Corridor a sub a substation at this
location would not be a good look for
ballat the property values of this
unique residential area on the doorstep
of our heritage CBD would
plumet uh so far no mention has been
made of the size well this goes back
we've since leared all this uh no
nothing had be made of the size of the
proposed Sub Station from looking at
plans it would appear that a ma as a
major project it could be huge a real
eyes saw it would be a big turnoff for
our tourism resulting in big Financial
losses to bat's econ economy uh surely
council could swap some land at the at
the recycle plants which are located in
industrial zones or belain gold so it
just goes on to talk about some of the
ones which I don't know whether they're
appropriate or not because at that stage
we didn't even know where the grids went
it was only last week last week when we
had the community consultation that we
even learned with the um where their
66,000 kilovolt lines went so they've
been very secretive about it all and
anyway so um that's how we feel about it
and most when I went around most
residents weren't even aware of it and I
had 46 resident signatures supporting
just this letter before I even realized
that there was a special petition form
for Council uh and all that we ended up
with about 250 signatures and most to
them on the correct form so thank you
for that thank you very much M McMaster
for your submission and the work that
you've put into Gathering all of the all
of the signatures and being a liaison
point for your sector of the of the
community there as well thank you counc
McIntosh ask for you Mr Mayor I'm
presuming that we need someone to move
to accept we have a further submission
first before we get to that stage thank
you um so thank you m McMaster we now
have Miss Jennifer Patterson who
[Applause]
thank you Mr
Patterson good evening everyone thank
you um once again I would like to speak
to on my community's behalf regarding a
substation now announced at 203 York
Street I keep hearing power cor
Executives on the media who we have
never even seen or talked to before
telling us how we need a substation and
how wonderful it will be for electric
cars and houses there has never been any
question about the necessity of a
substation the placement of it is the
issue I have attended both power cor
information sessions they are just to
tell us how wonderful everything is and
to give us a say on the decoration of
that ridiculous fence that looks
remarkably like a freeway barrier as
they put it up taggers will be six feet
behind with their spray cans power cor
told us at the second meeting on
Wednesday the 6th of December the
council will be responsible to clean it
every Fortnight I also heard one of the
women there say the fence could be 5 m
tall I think it is going to look like a
prison right near our CBD I believe
their meetings to be just a distraction
from the real issues there is a saying
we know what we know well we don't know
what we don't know either and we don't
know what we are faced with until after
it is built because nobody answers
questions about noise or anything else
especially about safety also we don't
really know what questions we should be
asking none of us having been anywhere
near a substation and the questions we
do ask get no answers anyway it is also
strange that Cy was refused entry to
these sessions they are our local media
and also community members as for par
Community C package it is only for some
don't misunderstand me our goal was
always to get the substation built
elsewhere if we could but if not to try
and get some compensation for everyone
so they at least had the option to sell
out if they want wanted I watched power
core into the houses on the opposite
opposite side of the road in L street
with their confidential office which I
know will not be enough to compensate
for a property that may be unsellable
and so they should offer compensation
but I realize on our side of the street
we're only about 60 M away from that
facility and we are offer no
compensation except solar panels that
benefit power core Lots there is
apparently a dividing line down my
street it amazes me seeing this that
power cor say they are still considering
council's offer of alternative land but
given the choice the neighbors there
would soon have no compensation and no
power station and they believe the
community package would be better spent
relocating the substation elsewhere we
are trapped by poverty here in amongst
radiation and emfs and a huge building
site we have no idea what is in the
ground over there being disturbed and
power Corp is not disclosing any
information other than fluff our
peaceful enjoyment of our neighborhood
has been destroyed thank you for Council
support support also the career 3ba ABC
FM and B at times I think we have all
been treaded with contempt by power cor
from the word go back in March Christina
Gorman asked me what we could do to
beautify the substation and I answered
by another s the girl that was with her
said oh why would we do that when we own
that piece of land I have not seen that
girl since but I'm guessing she's the
only one who has told us the truth in
this whole
scenario thank you very much Mr
Patterson for your submission word and
thank you for your support to your local
community as well thank you any
questions of Miss Patterson there are
none thank you very much councilor
McIntosh they were the two submissions
for this item um so if I get a second or
I'm happy to speak Tove the
recommendation move to accept the
petition Council coats Council McIntosh
you have the
floor oh sorry councilor C your a
question or a
second counc M um as we've heard uh from
the submitters this is a a petition that
was put to us a while ago and I guess
that's the challenge of us having a
meeting once a month it takes a little
while for that opportunity for the
community to come back in and present to
us um but I absolutely thank Miss
Patterson and uh also
Miss McMaster both McMasters and all of
the other community members for the the
significant work uh that they've put
into this particular item and and mostly
making sure that we as a group of
councilors understand the challenges
that you have as a group of local
community residents um looking around at
the different examples um and
comparative examples it's just um a bit
of a fright
and and clearly that's what the
community is seeing as well they're
enormous
substations they are put in areas that
are not surrounded by homes and that to
me says everything there's a reason that
those other ones are placed where they
are you drive past Norman Street and who
wants to live right beside it nor even
directly across the road from
it so I really do think that um we need
to continue with our Communications and
lobbying uh with the local members and
with uh Lily de
Ambrosio and we need to continue with a
great strength inv voice as much as we
possibly can and wherever we possibly
can not just to accept that this is a l
mire I hear consistently the
conversation about the land being uh
purchased and zoned back in the 70s and
I understand that there was work back
then and that makes it different than
having to abide by regulations today
because it was done way back then but we
know that there's new residents in this
area we know that there's hundreds of
homes that could be impacted by floods
and and the complications with the
substation close by are frightening um I
think that council's offer for land swap
those sorts of conversations are very um
sensible fair and
considerate um and I think that we need
to continue working with our local
community being a voice that's our job
and we need to make sure that those that
are in a position that could impact this
zoning and the purchase of a better
piece of land or using a better piece of
land that they might already own
somewhere else um is the Wise Way
Forward as we've heard from the
community they don't say it's not
required they just say this is the wrong
place to put it and I think that um it's
imperative that we continue being a
voice to support our community in this
particular very important situation
thank you councilor m Council
coats thanks Mr Mayor thanks councilor
McIntosh I endorse all of your comments
as well and also thank the the community
and the residents for their strong
advocacy and the way that they've put
forward the arguments very clearly and
concisely to us and and met with
councilors many times and and given
voice to those concerns and I really
agree that it would set a concerning
precedent in such a Suburban residential
area that much as that land was zoned
res um for uh sort of sorry
non-residential back then it's it's
really clear now that it it is a highly
urbanized um residential area so um I
fully en Endor the petition I think it's
well in line with the other one that we
received earlier in the year but
hopefully strengthens our resolve to
direct officers to work um
constructively with meeting with power
Corp to to
really look as closely as possible at
Alternatives um so I'm I'm hoping
councilors can be kept well up to date
with how that progresses so the petition
um as followed to make strong
representation on behalf of the
residents and tourism of bat and for the
council and power Corp to seriously
consider any other locations suitable
for the proposed substation away from a
residential area and I know um many of
the residents have have put forward some
lots of suggestions as well um it's it's
good to hear that that officers are are
looking at other potentials sites as
well so so
hopefully um with the backing of so many
residents and all of councilors I
believe um previously were were in full
support of of the the past um position I
hope hope councilors still still are and
we can um continue to add our voice to
that advocacy to to state
representatives as as well and to power
call so thank you thanks to all the
residents who are here tonight as well
adding voice and waight to the petition
we've received thank you thank you
councilor coach councilor
Malone uh thanks Mr may I agree with my
Council colleagues
mute uh maybe there's
delay all right all right look I agree
with my councilor colleagues um on all
that I absolutely hate this proposal in
terms of what they look power is looking
to do um but if we don't actually also
consider from Power Call's point of view
then we're going to go nowhere on this
one because the reality as our directors
just pointed out is that they are on
Solid Ground whether we like it or not
from a planning point of view um we by
all means should Advocate to uh to
government ministers and MPS but I'm not
even sure any of that will stand up in
vcat at the end of the day because there
are solid planning grounds you know
unfortunately this was all put together
in the 1970s but however so while power
cor might come from that position of of
strength and certainty and and being
really clear in their intentions I'm
hoping they also can see um the benefit
of being a good Community um citizen as
well so just because you are on strong
planning grounds doesn't mean it's the
right thing to do yes this this um
planning decision was made in the 70s
but a hell of a lot changes over 50
years um this is a couple of generations
ago basically um of have Chang that's
taken place throughout that whole area
and again I would encourage um Power
Corp to not just think about well we can
so we are um and really reframe it in
there thinking that um as a good
corporate Community citizen um the the
right way would be to work with Council
and others on land swaps and other
opportunities um you know this the spin
on this one is getting into a bit of
overdrive you know listening to radio
pieces and other things that um
community members already flagged
tonight uh it is a bit over the top and
bunker down and um the only way I really
see this one properly being resolved is
with some Goodwill from Power cor um
minus the spin um and there's
potentially a great outcome for this
company if they are genuinely prepared
to work with us on a land Swap and other
Alternatives um we will have alignment
of of many objectives it just requires
them to get out of this bunk in position
um and um to to listen to the community
that they're operating in and otherwise
completely support the petition thank
you councilor Maloney councilor
Eddie thanks Mr Mayor and again thanks
very much to the residents who so
eloquently put the case each time you've
come to council and so passionately uh
look I agree and and with everything's
been said tonight so I won't repeat that
but particularly in relation to
councilor Maloney's points I think that
at least to try and push um Power cor to
the point of not proceeding with their
preferred side until they've actually
acquitted the other sites that we're you
know in discussions with them on and
made a formal decision on those I think
that sometimes these things just push on
and they'll keep doing things by neglect
and I think we need to be tight with our
time frames I know we're coming into
Christmas but the world doesn't stop
because of that so we need to be fairly
active in making sure that we push power
core to be considering whatever offers
we're putting to them uh and insist that
uh as Council Mone said that as a good
Community Citizen and a corpor citizen
that they have the decency for the
residents of Fairly considering those
positions if they can't be done they
can't be done but at least tell us why
and I think give people facts rather
than um just uh
marketing explanations I suppose thank
you thank you councilor Eddie any other
Council wishing to speak for the motion
against the motion I'll put the motion
all those in favour the motion is carried
thank you Miss Patterson for your
submission before about having heard
from Michaela settle um I'm certainly
supposed to be the contact person for M
settle and I certainly have not had any
communication with her at this stage
since that meeting so maybe Evan knows a
little bit more than what I do but I
certainly haven't received anything from
her thank you Miss Patterson for that
extra information thank you thank you
okay councilors the next item is the
chief executive officer report someone
happy to move the
recommendation move councilor coats
seconded councilor Harris councilor
coats um uh I'm happy to take the report
as read thanks thank you councilor codes
councel
Harris no discussion councilors if not
I'll put the motion all those in favour
against the motion is carried council's
item 9.1 is the belat planning scheme
Amendment C240 Bell five Heritage places
and one residential Heritage Precinct we
do have a couple of public submissions
in relation to the matter first one from
Mr Jim seler who is not attending but
will be read out by Mr
Montgomery thank you and through you Mr
Mayor the presentation is as follows
this year cell Kirk proudly celebrated
140 years of brick Manufacturing in the
Ballarat region and support for the
local economy our company has always
taken a great pride in supporting the
bat Community for five generations
including sponsorship with the bat base
Hospital three multiple vfl premierships
winning cirk roosters football teams the
Western Bulldogs football club who play
at M Stadium the recently completed home
of the basketball ballat known as cerk
Stadium as well as many other
philanthropic initiatives over the years
we strive to be a good corporate Citizen
and give back to the community I'm
disappointed to have to make this
admission to council this evening but I
believe to stand aside and do simply
nothing would be wrong thing to do
bearing in mind the specific facts and
circumstances relating to the burndale
property I'm not concerned with the
recommended Council resolution proposed
by the council offices and do not
consider Council should adopt it this
matter was deferred at the September
council meeting to enable Council staff
the opportunity to mediate with us in
relation to our objection since then my
opinion there has been no mediation
between Council and cirk in relation to
this matter despite the council
resolution the only mediation to date
with Council involved selker informing
Council we were preparing expert
Heritage and vegetation assessment for
the site these reports were then lodged
with Council many weeks ago with no
subsequent feedback provided to us or
offer for our Consultants to meet with
Council staff and your Consultants to
discuss the matter in
detail tonight's offer reports officer
reports uh includes virtually no
discussion or analysis of the expert
reports undertaken by cook and submitted
to council I challenge anyone to claim
there has been any meaningful mediation
in relation to this matter this is even
more frustrating for us considering
statements made at the September council
meeting by the director of planning to
the councilors that officers recommend
changes for celuk where on the same page
as cuk no nothing it appears could be
further from the truth these statements
were said in the context of the that a
deferral to mediate with cerk was not
needed as the staff had become
supportive of the selker position in
other words everything will be okay
clearly everything is not okay and the
council officers have not changed their
original opposition to the selker
position at all our main objection
revolves around the imposition of a
Heritage overlay over the entire site
when Council have already approved a two
lot subdivision at the site we consider
the vacant subdivided lot has no
Heritage value and little vegetation
value a view which is supported by our
senior heritage and vegetation
Consultants Bryce rayworth and John
Patrick who were considered to be
amongst the most respected visors in
their fields in Victoria referring this
matter to a panel without conducting
proper mediation is a waste of both
Council time and money as well as our
time and money particular when a common
sense outcome is readily available and
supported by detailed analysis andice
from eminent experts in the applicable
fields of Heritage and vegetation at the
September meeting councilors were
assured that Council staff and our
representatives were on the same page
yet the report before you tonight does
not offer one concession or solution in
relation to the cirk objection this is
despite us offering to happily agree to
retain the key elements of significance
identified in the reports prepared by
council's Consultants including the
original exterior of the Heritage House
front brick fence and the four large
mature trees in the front yard of the
house lot we've also proposed a
sensitive development approach to the
vacant subdivided lot with only being
used for car parking to support a new
medical clinic to be built on adjoining
land outside the area being considered
for heritance
controls this would mean no new
buildings would be erected on the vacant
subdivided lot and enable much of the
mature vegetation on the vacon lot to be
retained with car parking being
designated to um to work around the
trees it feels like a way of being
punished for attempting to work
collaborative with Council to preserve
our own Heritage in a sensible way and
undertake a joining development which is
highly considerate of that Heritage this
is a St contrast to another Heritage
building pertaining to to this amendment
in boret which was burnt to the ground
since the amendment was initiated where
we understand Heritage overlays are no
longer proposed Council should resolve
this evening to not only apply a
Heritage overlay to the sub subdivided
house lot including just the exterior
and the borale house the brick fence and
the for mature trees in the front yard
this would end the matter thank you Mr
suuk for your submission the next
submission is from Mr Stuart Kelly who
is not attending and that will also be
read out by Mr Montgomery coun Malone uh
sorry councilor Maloney question yeah
thanks Mr Mayor question following on
from Mr cell Kirk's
um Mission I was gonna say critiqueit
both um basically through you Mr May to
to the director um I guess we often get
ourselves into situations where we
either agree or disagree uh with um with
a land owner um are we at a point now
with this one where the parties as in
Council and the land are just you know
is a binary outcome it's it's either we
agree or we disagree therefore not much
point in further mediation if we I guess
my question is have we reached a point
where mediation is now no longer
required and a decision either of
council or a minister is director
Robertson than you Mr Mayor and thank
you for the question Council Maloney um
I I'm in discussions with the the
planning uh uh stat strategic planning
officers um their position which I
cannot direct them to change is that um
they wholeheartedly believe there is
evidence and it warrants retaining the
area that they propose which is why they
have come back to you without a change
to the report they've certainly received
from um the proponent their opinion and
weighed up the context of that which
would be very challenging to apply an
overlay simply to a dwelling a front
fence and four um house uh four
significant trees it's it's actually not
due process so yes I think that there is
no um way forward to mediate and it's
why we've come back to you with the
officer position as it is thank you
director
Robertson councilor
Eddie probably a follow on question to
that just in terms of
um the mediation uh or for like a bit of
word communication um I'm just wondering
when if after the September meeting is
it reasonable or unreasonable to expect
that the the owner of the property would
have expected us to come back for
further discussions and mediation was
that the the takeaway we had as as a
council um and secondly if we then had
information from the owner in regard to
that separate report which you've
mentioned
do we actually go back and acknowledge
receiving the report and then saying
noted but no change sort of thing thank
you director
Robertson Mr Mayor thank you for the
question Council Eddie so communicate
mediate um the response after that
council meeting was that we were
receiving amended documentation or
amended submission um from the proponent
which uh to us um was in interpreted as
they're making a submission as to their
position so the team received it it's my
understanding the submission was
acknowledged as received but if it
um it's hard to tell us to if Council
are directing us to mediate for a
particular outcome that satisfies the
proponent that's the challenge because
the officers disagree with that and have
therefore come back to you with their
position even based on a submission from
their proponent because um that is the
professional opinion of the officer
regardless of the opinion of sadly our
Council and sadly uh and the opinion or
the advice from the proponent so what is
before you is ultimately what the
officer in their professional status is
putting towards you um regardless of
information received from um
cirks thank you director
Robertson the next submiss is from Mr
Stewart KY and will be read out by Mr
Montgomery thank you and through you Mr
Mayor the presentation is as follows B
Heritage watch supports the
recommendations in item 9.1 planning
scheme Amendment C240 ba five Heritage
Place and one residential Heritage
Precinct the separation of the two
properties which have been the subject
of objections and some controversy from
the other properties and the precinct
none of which attracted objections is a
sensible strategy it is unfortunate that
this was not not proposed as the
recommendation at the meeting in
September at which a decision was
deferred perhaps the strategy could be
adopted in future when further
properties are identified by the
Heritage Gap study it is obviously
important to avoid unnecessary delays in
what is already a drawn out process of
achieving Heritage protection for
previously unprotected properties too
many houses and other properties of
Heritage interest have already been lost
before their importance had been
properly
identified thank you Kelly for your
submission the next submission is from
Mr Mike calman who is attending with us
this
evening thank you Mr
calman thank you Mr Mayor councilors and
staff um I wasn't going to say a lot
this evening and I was going to probably
be more here for questions um but with
the Preamble that's happened to this
point
uh I think it's worth responding on a
few items in relation to what's been
raised from sell Kirk's
perspective Council resolved in
September to defer the matter to mediate
with
C there was one meeting with Council
which I attended which was in relation
to the adjoining Medical Clinic and at
that meeting the only discussion in
relation to the Heritage Ava was the
fact that cirk were preparing expert
reports that was the only
discussion so then what happened is
those expert reports took a period of
time to prepare and they were lodged
with
Council we never heard anything back
until the agenda came out on
Friday so in terms of discussion
mediation considering the reports that
we put forward there's been no
discussion also worth considering is
tonight's agenda includes over 200 pages
of
attachments um the two reports that we
prepared that's my understanding that
councils haven't been given those two
reports so from a procedural
perspective that's as we see it and we
think that that is the position but
that's not the main item for
tonight we we believe that the Heritage
AA need only apply to the house
site and despite what was mentioned by
the director a minute ago we're not
proposing that the Heritage overlay only
apply to the house the front fence and
the front four trees we're proposing
that the Heritage
overlay apply entirely to the house site
but those four items are the four
significant items that would be
mentioned in a revised um Citation for
the
site selker have actually lodged a
revised Citation for the site showing
the heritage aala in its entirety
applying to that whole property and and
with the changes that we think are
appropriate at at the what's happened
here in summary is the cirk house became
available on the market and a cirk
proposed to buy it and did buy it to
keep it in the family
name since they've bought it and that's
Ron it's been
um basically Works done it's had paint
work done various other repairs around
the site to retain it there's no agenda
to demolish There's No Agenda to remove
it the agender is to keep it for
perpetuity so in terms of
council's I suppose desire to maintain
the house in terms of the owner's desire
to maintain the house and look after it
and keep it for future Generations we're
aligned the only difference that I can
see is the subdivided block that Council
themselves have approved to subdivide
part of the block off and whether that
should have a Heritage control on
it there's an application with council
at the moment to put a medical clinic
and just the car park on the vacant lot
which means the trees can be
predominantly
retained and therefore no buildings
would go on that that's a very very
smart approach to ensure that that
vacant block effectively has the minimum
amount of change done to it it's
disappointing that um Council haven't
had the opportunity to see the reports
that have been done it's disappointing
that the reports that have been done
have been
dismissed uh on the basis that it's
considered that the council staff
unsatisfied with
them we think there is a simple solution
a Heritage overlay is is applied the
house is retained the garden around the
house is retained as as has been read
out and the vacant lot already approved
for subdivision forms part of a
different proposal that will retain most
of the vegetation we think that's a very
good
outcome the reason I'm here phenomenally
wasn't to say all that tonight but with
the preamble I thought I should but the
main reason I'm here is to answer any
questions that anyone may have thank you
thank you Mr cman any questions of Mr
kman if not thank you very much for your
submission M uh sorry uh councilor
Maloney a question sorry I know it's
hard looking audable screens Mr Mayor um
uh I'm not sure if this one's best for
Mr Koffman or for the director but I
just wanted to check if we were of mind
to just uh take the selkirk's proposal
is it just in reference to lot one is it
that it applies is that the correct
referencing if we to reduce the extent
of the ho director
Robertson through you Mr mayor council
Moy if you're exploring that I would
suggest that the it would be in
reference to lot one or yeah what is
identified as lot one as part of the new
subdivision yes and can I just go on
record Mike I recall conversations that
you did have the Strategic team because
you were in Europe at the time so um if
you want me to step out meetings I'd be
more than happy to do that in a public
forum thank you thank you director
Robertson any other questions of Mr
calman thank you very much for your
submission this evening Council Z the
and Merry Christmas to everyone thank
you thanks B councilor Maloney your hand
is up I guess yeah um and I'm of mind if
if there no is there any speakers
otherwise I'm mind to move an alternate
recommendation if that's okay yep
absolutely you have the you have the
floor Council
mining uh thanks Mr Mayor so councilors
have been provided with after raising
some queries with officers been provided
with some alternate recommendations uh
for
emotions uh I'd be seeking to move the
first of those proposals just ease of
council's reference which is an
alternative recommendation to break the
amend amendments into three parts uh
with the view to abandon the mag P
Street as a Heritage overlay Amendment
and amend the Heritage boundary for the
borale um cerk house uh down to just
that what one reference we were talking
about before so uh if officers have that
version I can't see whether it's already
on the screen or not there but uh um
hopefully that's um easily provided to
everyone I'll come back to you in a
moment Council money when the item is on
the screen
thank
you that's that that's the
one
so C I'll just get you a second or and
I'm happy to second the motion so you
have the floor okay thanks Mr Mayor um
look I guess we we took this away and
considered it the most recent meeting to
give ourselves some time to to mediate
negotiate where further in a couple of
cases we reach a point where
um even though I do accept the officers
have identified some Heritage
significance the problem we've really
got in a practical implementation sense
is there's often nothing really to
protect um I'll start with the magpie
Street um case there's no building there
I think it's awful that the building
burned down I I hate that there was a
loss of um some significant Heritage um
infrastructure but it's not there it's
it's pointless as trying to protect it
and I I think if we were to refer that
one on to the minister we'd just look
foolish um we should however uh very
strongly work with um Sovereign Hill on
an interpretive panel at that magpi
street um property uh that does provide
some demonstration of what was there and
I think that's probably the best and
most logical you know practical outcome
we're going to get at that location
seeking to put a Heritage overlay on it
for what I mean we're not going to get a
rebuilt building um it does seem like a
fruitless exercise otherwise um similar
we've got to be pragmatic in our
approach with the the cirk site as well
um in how street so um again there's
opportunity um if it's managed properly
to allow for the development of a of a
you know more useful medical Precinct as
part of it as well um and again
protecting what is actually truly
important and it doesn't mean we get
everything we want out of it
unfortunately um I I hope that doesn't
come across as disrespect respectful of
the officers because I do value them
going through um the the effort of of
trying to protect um significant things
but ultimately our job as councilors um
and as the ultimate planning Authority
in this regard is to um take that advice
but also work in with what um you know
community and um and private investment
is prepared to ultimately deliver for
the overall benefit of our city um so
I'm happy to to move that that motion as
I think you're able want to see on the
screen
there thank you councilor
M so in speaking as the second to to the
motion I agree pretty much entirely with
what councilor Maloney has said and I
think the very first part of the
recommendation which does apply the
Heritage overlay to some significant
properties that have pretty much been
identified and there are no objection to
that for their significance being the
Heritage over to the mosm house and
Garden in Winter Street in banong St
Mark anglian parsonage on Melbourne Road
Brown Hill and victory house in jalong
Road Canadian and then also the precinct
of Home Street in belat central so each
of those going through to the minister
for Heritage protection without any
objection I think is a reasonable Way
Forward certainly there were two
properties that remained outstanding in
terms of where we were going forward
with that did catch the eye of
councilors and different opinions and
like Council Maloney suggested at times
where uh in a majority of times we
generally agree with the expert advice
of council officers but our role as
Council La is to weigh up consider and
then also reflect what's in the best
interest of the community and I don't
see that is being disrespectful to the
role of officers at all it is just
applying a different range of thinking
in relation to the two properties and as
we've heard the cerk burndale house at
618 house Street I think is a reasonable
compromise forward the entire lot one
which is the parcel of land that has the
most significant aspect of Heritage
protection which is the house the front
fence and the four significant trees but
the compromise from being a just
finishing at the boundary of the house
to extend to be the entire part of of
that allotment is fair and reasonable
and that is ground that was given by the
skirk family in relation to being able
to go
forward that then frees up the other
parcel of land to allow them to continue
to do the development which uh they wish
to proceed with it also removes the
aspect of that particular property going
through the planning panel process which
is an expense to council but also to the
applicant as well to test that the time
and effort that goes into it when there
seems like there is a a reasonable
compromise and a reasonable way forward
the other one I also agree with and I
guess I have softened my view from the
start I guess the circumstances around
Magpie streets and but we can't turn
back the hands of time and say the
significance of the fire in losing that
aspect from just being partially left
vulnerable and damaged and derelict to
the fact that a fire took hold and is
now being totally destroyed and removed
from that site I do fail to see the
purpose of continuing to prosecute a
case where the asset is totally
destroyed that potentially even with it
being rebuilt but it's different
materials it's not the same and I think
some appropriate signage reaching out to
the Goodwill of Sovereign Hill to have
something that is a reasonable sign for
members of the community that can go
past that side into the future and
realize what was there and be able to
understand the heritage of that site is
a reasonable way forward it's not the
ideal I think I'm always concerned about
the message that's there if suddenly a
fire happens to something that was inm
marked for preservation however those
circumstances have played out um and we
are left with what we are left with so I
think the recommendation that councilor
Maloney has moved is a fairly Fair
reasonable well balanced
pretty straightforward way for us to go
through there will be those that that
think differently of that which I accept
but I think it is probably the most
pragmatic way for us to move forward
with this item and to move this off our
agenda thank you councilors is there a
councilor wishing to speak against the
motion councilor Harris um thank you Mr
Mayor look just Nar on this one I mean
the add interim protections is for the
Magby Street one I mean you know the way
forward for this as interim protections
as they exist or other protections they
might exist um and then through neglect
or accident or whatever circumstances I
mean it sets a blueprint for uh Heritage
by neglect really I just can't see what
the enthusiasm for Council is uh for
this to go forward and as I've said
previously in this post in the the
reality of having a plaque to
commemorate it
um it's laughing at us I mean just
laughing at us
and Council officers have proceeded in a
very straightforward way uh I you know
where we are and the protections that we
we give um a property regardless of what
might have had happened to it it's it's
on Sovereign Hill to fix up I mean we're
just we're saying how it is and in
regard to
um Council offices in regard to the cirk
house again it's straightforward Council
officers haven't manipulated anything
they've come to a view and in reality uh
they are the experts at this I I I
acknowledge that we've got a role um in
in um in planning uh and I acknowledge
that um at times we do need uh to look
at any any of our black letter rules but
this is not one of those times uh this
is straightforward and uh I think the
officers the original recommendation and
for shadow if this fails that we would
go back to that thank you councilor
Harris is there Council wishing to speak
for the motion to speak against the
motion councilor
McIntosh uh through you Mr Mayor just to
Echo very similar to councilor Harris's
comments and and I would absolutely
foreshadow seconding the original motion
if this one was to fail um I think the
officers need to be congratulated for
the work that they've done they've been
very strong and and uh confident uh with
their processes and the expert advice
that they've had on a number of
different items here I think the one for
me that is concerning as well um and and
really uh concerning
for uh the precedent that could be set
and and and that is in regard to The
Magpie Street property we know when we
look at that citation it does refer to
Social and cultural history history it's
not just about built form and I
understand that uh the officers approach
is about built form but I understand
that the significant history is much
more than built form so what we're
looking at protecting here is a
significant story of balarat from the
gold rush on and what we're looking at
at the moment as a city is being
recognized globally by UNESCO for the
world heritage seral listing of the gold
fields and we've got a story here the
real thing we've got the ability to
encapsulate on the top of the hill where
things happened a lot of very important
information and that's not referring
just to the buil form equally there's
something that's built pretty similar
just down the road which is quite an
interesting uh situation in itself
ideally what we want to know is we've
got all of the right mechanisms in place
to prot protect the history and Heritage
that we should be protecting and in this
case we did put an interim Heritage over
overlay on this property because we knew
how important it was and that
information came to us from our Council
officers the experts in the area we
asked them to come back to us with
information and they did they came back
to us with a citation that was
significant and Brilliant and and it
told us so much it told us so much more
than just built form so I think we've
got to look very deeply into the reports
and the information that comes to us as
a group of councilors and I think we
need to take that on board I look at
those properties mosman uh Victory house
um Victory house uh is one that um the
community rallied for and uh it's it's a
very important and great example of uh
what social and cultural history really
means and there was so much more about
protecting that property than just the
built form in fact a lot of the built
form original built form had been mucked
around with uh and it looks like and
sounds like the owners of a victory
house and those protecting the history
within it will do some significant work
using the old original photographs and
and uh work very diligently with some
some degree of reconstruction which I
think will be a wonderful outcome it's
it's really important that we consider
the advice from the experts that we have
available to us and for all of those
reasons I absolutely support the
recommendation as it was written and
presented to us by the officers hence I
can't support this recommendation thank
you Council McIntosh Council speaking
for the motion councilor Eddie thank you
Mr Mayor um this is another difficult
decision um but I'll speak in support of
the motion before as has been proposed
um
I I certainly um feel that uh Mr Kelly's
references to how we do these motions in
the future is critical and I think
Common Sense should tell us we should do
that as a matter of course uh and would
hope that uh that just becomes the norm
for whatever we do in the future for
those that aren't contested or need more
work and that they don't get delayed by
other processes in in relation to um the
cell Quirk house um I'm probably a
resident in that area so I should say
that up front and walk by that probably
at least four days a week
um I fully support the the lot one being
maintained
um I accept and respect the officer
views on uh the whole site however um I
just don't see that I could support that
having the significance in the second
part of that property that it should be
maintained I'm not sure how we um
or whether it's just on Goodwill that we
take uh the word of Mr kovan that um you
know trees and shrubs within that uh
second part of the site can be
maintained as part of the work of the
car park but you would hope um that that
certainly that being offered and said
would be taken in good willll in regard
to Sovereign Hill um or The Magpie
Street site sorry um I really have mixed
emotions on this as well I I I very much
hear what's being said about
um um sort of deric uh by neglect and by
um leaving things exposed so that if
they get damaged or fire or whatever
other emergency comes and it's gone it's
gone
um I I'm not sure the answer is to go to
war on this particular case what's
happened has happened um I can't see
value in maintaining the site for any
other purpose and enforcing an overlay
that perhaps you know is not going to
achieve anything of significance but I
do think at some part some time we need
to have a strong look at how how we can
more strongly reinforce um any any
neglect that happens in the future so it
is difficult I fully I fully support the
motion as it is but I also very much
respect the views of councilor Harris
and and councilor McIntosh as to their
very passionate and and well understood
views on this matter as well thank you
thank you Council Eddie a council
wishing to speak for the motion against
the motion councilor
coats yes I will speak against the
motion but I don't have a a great deal
of
additional commentary to add to the
debate just to say that it is a little
bit line ball and I've listened
carefully to the arguments for and
against the the alternative motion but I
ER on the side of the original coun
Council officer recommendation on on
this particular matter thank you
councilor coach Council speaking for or
against the motion councilor Hargraves
thank you Mr Mayor and I Rise to speak
for the motion um mainly my view I guess
being that that seems to me to be the
most
streamlined uh approach for where we're
currently at other councilors have
summed it up really well and I know um
Council has done a lot of detailed work
on all of these matters but I mean
Magpie
Street
um I councilor Eddie put that really
well I just don't see going to war over
that as being a great use of um
council's money and time and I think you
know given that there are so many other
Heritage issues that we'd like to to see
looked at I feel like a burnt down house
you know sad as that is is not a great
use of that time um um you know and I I
see how people would have the opposite
View and I can appreciate that as well
as far as cirks goes um I'm just in
agreeance with the the um the owners on
this one so summing up yes I I'm in
support of um the alternate motion thank
you thank you councilor Hargraves
councilors that is all councilors have
spoken councilor Mone you have the
opportunity to sum
up uh thanks Mr Mayor I think council
harra is a pretty decent sum up just
then actually because um look ultimately
there's a lot for our planning officers
to do we have some huge demands upon
them in a growing city and we've also
asked them to undertake some significant
Heritage Gap analysis work to have
officers continue to be bogged down on a
site or that especially in talking about
Magpie Street in particular a site that
is not going to you know bring back a
Burt down house is is a is is a bit of a
poor use of our very limited resources
um I'd much rather you know see us um
you know focus on other areas of of
Heritage significance um it's not going
to bring back a burnt down house um it's
it seems as though we're being a little
bit punitive and sort of seeking to
punish um a land owner for a house that
burnt down and there's no suggestion
that Sovereign Hill or anyone else has
done anything UNT um yes fencing maybe
could have been improved to protect the
house um but at the end of the day U
we're we're really talking about
something that can't be rectified
and um you know I think this council's
time is better spent um in other areas
there an opportunity cost in us not um
you know putting our efforts in other
areas um let's um make a call uh we
we've already passed this one off for a
meeting and deferred already the time
has come now councilor is just to make a
call and get on with this one thank you
councilor Maloney councilor's all put
the motion all those in
favour all those against the motion is
carried cared thank you councilors
councilors we will move on to item 9.2
which is planning item 315 greenh road
delom development of a child care
facility we do have a number of public
submissions and representations in
relation to this particular item the
first public submission is from stanner
Lewis who is attending with us this
evening but would request that the
statement be read out so Mr Montgomery
if you could read that out please thank
you and through you Mr Mayor the
presentation is as follows objections to
the proposed Childcare Center traffic
and safety our court is that is just
over 7 MERS wide and I believe that
congestion certain times of the day will
be horrific and an accident waiting to
happen greenhous Road will definitely
become a traffic Hazard at times
especially at school drop off and pickup
at is as it is now I um I have trouble
getting in and out of the court for
appointments at these times
the proposed Child Care Center will only
exacerbate the problem we as long
residents often have family and friends
visiting and staying over who Park their
car in the court I fear for the safety
of my grandchildren who often ride their
bikes safely in the court the extra
congestion caused by the traffic from
the proposed Childcare Center will
create much anxiety and possible
accidents noise and health as a resident
of B and clothes for 12 years I
specifically chose Bening clothes when I
retired as I knew from others who how
quiet and peaceful it was I Fe the noise
from the children and extra traffic the
center will create will totally disrupt
the quality of my life I don't agree
that the proposed fencing will mitigate
the noise most of the neighbors are
retired and have health issues and the
proposal will definitely impact on our
health and well-being especially
emotionally and
mentally thank you Miss Lewis for your
submission the next submission is from
on behalf of nol and Sandra Hawking
which they would also like to be read
out thank you Mr Montgomery thank you
and through you Mr Mayor the
presentation is as follows we're writing
to the bat city council to notify you of
our strong objection to the
establishment of Childcare Center at 315
greenhous Road delom planning
application number PLP
22927 which is in the corner of B and
close where we live right next door at
one b and close there is a business
currently operating which has six to
eight Vehicles parked in the court these
vehicles and their comings and goings
have had a major impact on the tone of
the Court sometimes there have been
meetings conducted around 6 p.m. onward
which have 15 or so cars parked in the
court across the front of our properties
on several occasions the rubbish trucks
have not been able to enter the court to
collect our rubbish we're very concerned
that an AM ambulance may not be able to
get past if they were needed this
business has massively increased traffic
in the court as they drive up the court
to turn
around we strongly believe that if a
child care center of 96 places were to
be established on the corner the court
would be inundated by traffic this does
not describe residential living
currently between 2:30 and 5:30 p.m. on
a weekday more than 20 cars are lined up
on greenhous road blocking the entry to
B and clo and we can't get into our
court how on Earth could this area cope
with extra traffic attached to a child
care center particularly of that size
this is a residential area not a
commercial business area we expect to
have the amenity of residential living
not constant traffic and noise we'll
feel that we have been very tolerant of
the extra traffic generated by the extra
business
that the council have allowed to operate
but enough is enough we strongly object
to the proposal going ahead it's very
insulting recently when we phoned about
our rubbish not getting collected and
all the residents in the court got sent
a very demeaning letter telling us not
to park in front of the bins rather than
approaching their property who are
blocking uh the court it is time Council
took note of what is happening in
residential areas and not adding to the
problem by approving inappropriate per
permits in the area we forward to the
matter being given due
consideration thank you Mr and Mrs
Hawking for your submission the next
submission is from Pauline and Colin
Reed which I believe may be here
the
that okay no worries at all thank you
very much uh next from Joan
Talent thank you
John oops um hi um I've I'm just doing a
presentation based on the um locationing
comparison to location of other child
care centers um which to me illustrates
how
inappropriate these this some
positioning I've done some very rough uh
drawings I haven't used that app on the
computer before so I apologize for
the fairly rough um I'll just go very
quick quickly through um I'm not going
to go through each site but um for the
child care centers in the delome area um
the first one is um delom chare Center
on glennel Highway Glen glennel Glenelg
highway is a major road with with
Service Roads as as everyone knows um
this child care center is facing on to
that and it is located next door to
other uh commercial businesses well a a
medical center and I can't remember what
the other one was and very nearby
service station and fast food Outlets
it's also opposite delom Town Center so
in very much um a big road uh the next
one is in a smaller Road Veil Street in
Sebastapol and even though that's a side
street it's a two-way Road uh it's close
to a an oval it's close to a church and
the church grounds so again not
surrounded by uh lots of houses it you
can enter it via Albert Street which is
also a wide Road um other ones kidscape
near bon bon Shore it's um located on
Tate Street very close to an ndis
building um again there are several
roads into that site um there's the
Brady B
Child Care Center in Sebastapol okay
that's in the side street but again
there is a through Road and it's an
entrance VI Grant Street which is also a
through Road this chare Center has a a
park located next door to it um other
ones
in uh Sebastapol in uh located on
fronting onto Herford Street which is
again quite a wide well a very wide Road
um it's really probably a double lane
road and that's adjacent to a a
government Dental Center and the high
school it's surrounded by industrial
buildings um the other one which is
close to the end
of uh the Good Start Learning Center in
delome which is located at the corner of
the glenell highway which I've already
said is a a a service road double lane
and it's on the corner of glendol
glendol Highway and Street which is a
also a wide road across the road from
that a commercial
businesses um there's there's a pattern
here in delome at Milestone Early
Learning Center again again it's located
on glennel Highway no it's adjacent to
glennel Highway in newway Avenue but
again it's
located uh next to a major road and it
also has two-way traffic access uh Brady
Bunch in smarts Creek uh that is located
uh to the rear of delkim town center
it's on Cherry Flat Road which is I
think we'll probably develop into a
bigger road so even though it's on a
side street again we have two-way
traffic um again in Redan there's
another child care center on Skipton
Street which again is a a a double lane
Highway with Service Roads I won't go
through all the ones standed Al Lucas
and alfredson but the same sort of
pattern they're all located either close
to to Green areas schools uh commercial
businesses major roads with with often
with with Service Roads uh through roads
whereas you go go to my page on the um
the where the proposed Child Care Center
on the corner of Benson Clos and green
Halls Road we are a dead end Street a
small Dead End Street we're surrounded
by residential buildings uh Greenhills
Road even though it's a big road doesn't
have a service road we're very close to
Wilshire Lane which does have service
roads but the sighting of the proposed
Child Care Center compared to all the
others and I you you'll have the pages
for the ones at alfredton and Lucas they
all the same they're all either on
through roads and predominantly on major
highways with with service Lanes um the
interesting thing with the one proposed
for the Benson clo 315 is just recently
on the my little rough Map There's a
blue the former chiropractice Center
which was obviously approved as a center
it was a former home converted into a
chiropractice center that is originally
closed down as a business and I would
this only happened a couple of weeks ago
and so I would put to Council that
perhaps the developers could look at
that side because that has fronts onto
Wilshire Lane which is a very wide road
with service and there's a service road
there it also already has parking um so
it's just to me it stands out like a
sore thumb that the choice of this site
is just glaringly wrong compared to
every other chare well I've I've gone
driven round to probably about 15 um and
it it's the only one that's on a oneway
a dead end Street in a predominant well
99% residential area so um just the
other thing I'd like to say is also all
people in our our residents group
objecting we're all probably our average
age is 70 we are way past needing Child
Care our children are way past needing
child care it's it's the wrong area and
the video and photos I seen in of the
track traffic it's at 3:30 in the
afternoon approximately all the traffic
is to the west where a child care center
is needed is out at winter Valley and
there's not a single one out there um
and that's where all the traffic goes at
330 and I'm sure it all comes from that
direction in the morning but I haven't
taken photos in thank you Mrs talent for
your submission thank you very much
thank you the next submission is from Mr
Ron Talent who is with us this
evening can you hear me I can yes thank
you okay um I'm going to speak two ways
one as a doctoral psychologist and
secondly as a resident because they go
together I'm here fundamentally
because over the years years I'm 30 odd
years experienced as a psychologist I
know my stuff I know people I love
people I'm very empathic I care I have
values of respect dignity
Integrity understanding and frankly I'll
be blunt with you a lot of the time now
I get lost in the direction of the
current
world the sad thing I find here and I
I've listened very
intently councilor Maloney and other
people in particular
there seems to be a dichotomy going and
it's getting stronger and stronger and
that is it seems to me the political
decisions
and Commercial decisions are
increasingly going hand in hand or seem
to be and
humanity is
lost I'm going to talk about humanity
and what we've been through in
miday oh I'll go back my wife and I
moved into this area about 10 years ago
and we had a lovely land agent who
basically said to us when we were
looking around he took us a few places
he said got this place it's not ideal
it's not um old style that you want but
it'll satisfy all your needs we got a
disabled son my wife likes painting and
it had a big shed at the back which we
fixed up and our son's in the granny
flat and we're in this pretty weird
brick veneer that's been added and added
and added and it it really annoys me
it's got 8T ceilings we used to have 12T
ceilings anyway putting that aside it
works we've come to in a funny way adore
this little place it works I've got my
rose garden I love gardening after you
do your psychology you like to come home
but the one thing that happened in miday
last year was my world was assaulted in
a way that even all my training my
mindfulness couldn't manage I fell
apart I didn't show the outrage that my
wife showed I've never seen such a
gentle caring loving
soul so verbally angry how dare this be
happening to
us now I put this in the context
of I read the documents when they first
came through and I noted that the house
that is going to be pulled down by the
way was renovated recently in this
current age where we need accommodation
It's a Wonderful House several of my
fellow residents have been in there I've
been in once and not fully but several
have been in all the rooms they spent
over 50,000 renovating it about four
years ago and then the chap there who I
used to talk to when he had his M out
and we chat out the front basically said
oh I'll be battling to sell this I'll be
really battling to sell this sold in a
day would you believe I could be wrong
but you can check within 24 maybe 48
Hours your Council Office had received
the documents for planning permission
too coincidental to
me why I'm so upset right now is this I
had a planning person I'll by the way
the planning system I I'll be blunt we
were
railroaded last time they started off
roughly 45 minutes they talked about how
wonderful it was going to be etc etc and
the noise situation and there'd be no
problems there was no sense of humanity
it was all about commercial money making
not about caring for
people I actually had to tell off their
so-called principle at one stage because
he was basically telling the lady how to
run the show and I said excuse me you
don't run this show
but that's the arrogance of these people
I'll be
blunt I know that we're going to face
this and it's going to get worse but I
can tell you this and they won't say it
if I feel this what are a lot of the
people feeling in our court our minut is
gone and I'll be blun it doesn't make
any bloody sense in simple terms it
doesn't if they had scoped it properly
they could have gone down to the west
and picked up land easily probably less
than they've paid and there have be no
issues we need it we haven't got child
care centers in the west we're going to
need many as you folks sitting around
here know there was no caring for us
there was no at all it was purely about
money making and to say otherwise is
absolute rubbish now the other thing I'm
going to make a comment about is this I
briefly outside had a look at the
planning statement again the word
amenity which I enshrine as part of my
integrity and how I value myself and
others and my quality of life as I've
gotten older it did not exist it was
just that the planning people had met
all the kicked the right boxes so
therefore it goes through I think
sometime and I listened with great
interest to how you people are
approaching the Ballarat East power
station I'd like you to apply the same
attitudes to ours yes we're little
people but we
matter and one day there will be a great
loss in this world we lost Collin Street
up the top end the Paris end because of
a man who I admired but it was just
development no matter what if we
continue development no matter what we
are going to lose our communities and
the soul of our communities I don't have
much more to say I put it to you guys
that a lot of our people now are I know
are really really angry they're anxious
they're
lost we formed a wonderful Bond I didn't
know most of my street even though
there's only about 11 of us until then
in today's world we just hi how you
going and we go on and we sit behind our
well we haven't got any fences but we
sit behind whatever we do I know them
all now and they're wonderful people but
I can tell you this they are [ __ ] scared
worried two or three already have had
the houses on the
market no
takers hardly a
surprise I
think you owe it in my eyes to the
Integrity of what it is to be human and
all the ups and downs of that to
consider this as an absurdity when it
could be so easily moved
you talked about negotiating with
Ballarat East power Opus can't the same
criteria apply here and we get some
common sense and Humanity back to the
situation thank you thank you Mr talent
for your very passionate representation
this
evening um the next representation is
from Mr Brian manie who is attending I
believe
thank you Mr
Man thank you very much
um I I didn't intend to speak I spoke to
Ron and everyone else but while I'm here
I might as well um endorse everything
they've said um the only thing I can
probably add is I've been there 35 years
it was a six or seven year old Community
then a state and it's now 40 plus years
old and there's all the house around
that age about in that area and you to
get all this out the west and I can't
see why we got to have a child care
center stuck there on the corner and the
traffic I won't elaborate on the traffic
but the traffic I think is STS now is
it's going to be horrendous it's
horrendous now and I just hope the
council can have a good look at it and
um relook at it and see what you can do
about it thank you thank you Mr M the
next represent ation is from Mr Philip
Robertson thank you Mr Robertson thank
you thank you the disadvantage of going
late in the queue is that um most excuse
me most of my good lines have already
been take it but um we'll give it a
go I'd like to thank the council for
giving the opportunity to outline some
of the reasons for my objection to the
granting of a planning permit for the
development of a child care center at
315
glink held Road delico I have three main
concerns the first one is
noise there will be increased noise from
The increased traffic flow in the court
on the average day we would be likely to
see five maybe 10 traffic movement in
the morning most of the residents in our
court are retired very few head out
before 9:00 it is a very quiet
area increasing this by an extra 60 to
70 traffic movements cannot be
considered reasonable as is suggested in
the
report the traffic would not spread
throughout the day as has been suggested
in the report rather it would occur in
blocks particularly preschool and post
school there will also be the noise of
parents dropping off and collecting
their
children but my main concern is the
noise from the children playing Outdoors
as an ex- teer I understand kids like to
play outside but the fence on the street
has been modified originally it was 2.4
M paling fence this was seen as totally
an appropriate for the urban area you
probably just need a bit of razor wire
along the top to complete the scene it's
now been modified and reduced to about
to 1.5 M that's 1.5 M I measured
it there is no way regardless of what
materials that fence is made of that it
will retain The Noise Within that block
there's also a privacy concern of
children in the child care center
passive bu can look over the fence I'm
short I could look over the fence that
is not appropriate a high offence has
already been ruled out for aesthetic
reasons Jones spoke about the child care
centers nearby and they are all located
on major through roads and most of them
are accessed from a oneway Service Road
the proposal for 315 greenh road is
inappropriate in that it channels the
traffic into Benson close Benson close
is a short two-way narrow Dead End
Street there are only nine houses in Ben
and close plus the two at the end that
face onto Greenhill Road but access
their uh access traffic through b and
cloes because of this it creates a
unique set of problems for parking and
for traffic
flow okay for parking whilst 19 Car
spaces have been provided not all
parents will opt to use them choosing to
park on the street as it's generally
easier to remove a child from a car seat
with a door wide open rather than being
next to another
car if parents Park on both sides of the
street it can effectively block the road
if the vehicles are large or poorly
parked in the report it said there are
no parking restrictions well there are
no formal parking restrictions but as
mentioned um earlier this year the
council instructed residents not to park
in the court not just in front of their
bins not to park in the court on Fridays
as this sometimes prevented the waste
trucks from accessing the whole Court a
result of that was the waste trucks had
to do a second trip on Saturday morning
to pick up the rubbish
how is this going to work if the
Childcare Center goes ahead and there is
traffic parked along the
street another consideration is where
are the staff going to park in the
report that was in the agenda it stated
that no staff car parking is to occur in
Benson close that's on page 311 but it
also mentioned that the we measures put
in to preclude staff car parking in the
designated Patron parking areas I don't
know how this is going to be monitored
or enforced or where they will go
parking on greenh road does not seem a
good
option traffic flow the traffic
management report mainly discussed
parking it was parking and traffic
management mostly it looked at parking
of Greater concern is the traffic flow
into and to a much greater extent out of
the Court grhs Road is becoming
increasingly busy as it provides a major
access route to the new housing estate
to the west of Wilshire Lan consequently
leaving the court especially to do a
right-and turn is difficult to do safely
as oncoming traffic is obscured by cars
parked in greenh Road there's a
community house which often has uh the
people who work there parked at the
front when you get to the end of B and
close those parked cars block your view
of the round about and to do a rightand
turn you've just got to go for the
best in the morning and afternoon Peaks
the traffic often Banks back from the
roundabout across B and
close from the and it's banking back
from the roundabout the intersection of
greenh Road and wch line and this only
exacerbates the problem of leaving the
court safely it seems only a matter of
time before a serious accident occurs
here and that's the current situation
now factoring the effect of 20 or maybe
30 cars trying to leave the court after
they've done the 8:30 drop off the cars
will be banked back in the court the
cars are banked across the court in
greenh Road this is going to be a major
catastrophe the traffic congestion and
risk will be dramatically
increased okay there are a couple of
other things I wanted to
mention might not be a planning concern
but it's disappointing that many of the
established trees that are decades old
will be removed the council is actively
planting trees in public areas to
increase The Greening of
bellad whilst it's argue whilst it's
planned to replace some of the trees it
will take decades to replace the biomass
of the plants that are already there
photosynthesizing happily taking carbon
dioxide out of the atmosphere to Gra gr
a permit for this development would see
the removal of established trees which
would seem to go against Council
policy finally as mentioned earlier
there is a housing shortage the
residence on the site is of high quality
and has recently had internal
refurbishments done if this permit is
granted the house will be demolished and
to me this is an irresponsible action by
the council in these times finally um
when we look at non-residential use uses
for residential areas there a number of
criteria that should be
satisfied non-residential uses
preferably better located on Corner
sites yes that adjoin or have access to
a road in a road zone no the access is
not to the main road greenh road It's a
local Road B and close it's preferable
to have sites which are about
non-residential preferably commercial
land uses that is not the case it's
preferable to have which are located on
the periphery of commercial or
industrial zones it is not the case it
is in a residential
area non-residential users will not be
encouraged to locate on land with direct
access to the local Road Network the
council report said oh but this is good
because people coming into bent to clo
will take the traffic off greenh road
that means that cause gives no
protection to any local road that buts
onto a main road that oh you're taking
the traffic off it it's a nonsense
Clause if you are not meant to uh locate
on land with direct access to the local
network you are not meant to access the
local Road
Network and as Urban consolidation is a
key state government planning policy the
loss of any residential property for
non-residential uses should be justified
on the following basis Community need or
demand for the use
yes there is Need for child care centers
not where we are we are in the old part
of delome where most of the residents
don't have children
preschool there are plenty of the so
whilst the need might be in the area it
doesn't have to be solved by doing it at
315 during HS Road there are plenty of
new developments to the West which could
have um Child Care Centers there are
developments down towards Bond sh Shore
and I looked at with the map of one of
those already it has its site allocated
to Child Care
Center I'll ask you to sum up sorry just
two uh inability to locate in the
commercial Zone there is that ability
because they could move elsewhere to
new's ground and finally that the site
has a low residential amenity and no
longer suitable for residential use this
house is not in that situation I would
urge the councilors to consider What the
residents have said said and support us
and encourage the developer to find
somewhere else to locate their child
care center thanks very much for your
time thank you Mr Robertson for your
submission the next submission is from
Mr Kelvin
Anderson who I believe may be here this
evening
thank you Mr Anderson thank you Mr Mayor
I've just got a couple of
things and I think one of the which
was ped a little bit by Ron was
that the planning
department for some unknown
reason considers that
an application comes in we put up the
submission who in their right
mind even us normal
people would would go on a
maybe for a five or6 million development
somebody in planning has told them yeah
just put it in and everything will be
fine well it is not Mr Anderson and I
think you're bordering on an area that
you don't want to go to when you are
suggesting that Council officers have a
jaded view of a process please stick to
the facts and don't tarnish or begin to
tarnish reput reputations of
professional officers
fine and
also it's always about this
traffic when was the last timebody
somebody even looked at it like we live
diagonally across from this project and
we sometimes cannot get out of our
court but every time you bring it up
it's flobed off like the last meeting I
attended we asked the planning people or
the developers or what you want to call
them uh what about the bus stop outside
315 they didn't even know there was a
bus stop there are you going to shift
that bus stop
don't think so anyway thank you thank
you Mr
Anderson our next representation is from
Mr David kingberg who I believe is
attending thank you Mr
kingberg thank you Mr Mayor councilors
and staff my name is David kingberg for
on the town planning company smart
planning and design thank you for the
opportunity to make representation on
behalf of our client this evening the
for the proposed development of a child
care center to be located at 315
Greenhill Road
Dome uh the proposal does comply with
the relevant controls and policies of
the city of bat planning
scheme uh the proposed Child Care Center
is in is a non-residential use in a
residential Zone has been said earlier
this evening and as such we have
addressed the specific sections of the
planning scheme that seeks to control
this type of development and the
proposal clearly meets all of the
controls and policies in the scheme the
center will provide an improved land use
outcome for the subject site in the
following ways the child care center
will have a maximum capacity of 92
children supporting the daily needs of
the immediate and surrounding and
emerging community within this key
growth area the development will Aid in
the economic devel in economic
development through the employment of 17
staff the development will comprise a
design that is residential in nature and
domestic in scale at three 5.3 m in
height and that's a very modest scale
less than the 11 M permitted for
residential developments in the
zone the development will provide an
efficient access and parking to
accommodate 20 vehicles and bicycle
racks allowing All Transport modes to
access the site for pickup on and drop
off and it is considered that the above
will allow for the use uh to operate in
a way that is subservient to its
surroundings and minimize adverse
impacts to the residential
area we note the council planners have
circulated the proposal to required
internal Council departments and no I
repeat no significant concerns have been
raised by Council officers and where
they have been any concerns raised these
have been addressed by
conditions we note that the economic
development department um have expressed
that they are very very supportive of
The
Proposal as uh I've noted this evening
uh and in Reading uh objections
previously the proposal has received
objections resulting from two rounds of
public notification with the theme such
as loss of amenity traffic management
noise impacts landscaping and even
construction impacts and we note the
objections and they've now been
addressed in their entirety and we
support all Council conditions we
support all Council conditions to
completely resolve these
concerns and we agree uh as the
applicant with the council planers
recommendation to approve the
development complying and we are very
happy to comply with all 28 conditions
and the issuing of the notice of
decision in short we acknowledge the
support and support the officer
recommendation to issue a notice of
decision to Grant a planning permit in
accordance with the bat planning scheme
thank you very much thank you Mr
kingberg councilor harra sorry is there
any questions to Mr kingberg councilor
Eddie uh thanks Mr kingberg just um I
suppose in terms of um I note your
comments about
compliance did did your research in the
area or for your clients um look at a
range of options for the center or just
this particular
site sorry did the CL did our client
look at a range of options for for the
for the child care center to be located
or was it just this one side that was
looked at I'm actually not aware of
their research as it relates to thank
you site acquisition councilor
Maloney uh yeah thank you for coming
along tonight I've got a couple of
questions about what if anything the
applicant has done to address uh the
concerns of the residents so it's one
thing to wait for the offices to put
conditions on but what proactively has
the applicant done to genuinely um
listen to and address the
concerns
um sorry you should be right now okay
yeah thank you uh we we through U
multiple rounds of discussions with
Council officers attending um attending
the consultation meeting with the
residents listened to their concerns we
consulted with Council offices as it
related to issues such as noise uh we
made some amendments as it related to
acoustic fencing we considered
Alternatives in terms of access and
egress uh again we consulted with
Council staff as it related to and
listen to them and our own Consultants
as it related to access and eress we
doubled down and made sure that the
reports that we compiled as it related
to access and egress because I
understand that's a particular concern
and noise were robust and ensured that
any um any access ESS noise and other
concerns uh were addressed through
design backwards and forwards between
Council uh we spoke at the consultation
meeting
talked about a number of different
options um those options were tabled
presented to council staff and the
resulting design was uh where we ended
up now we made sure on multiple
occasions to ensure that all of the
appropriate uh standards and measures as
it related to noise access eress were
addressed to ensure that uh we comply
with the standards
um that are relevant for such a
development so let me just follow up
question Council Maloney yeah sure let's
follow up
actually I might just take a second to
kick in I'm off mute uh got me okay now
yes great thank you um access egress
let's talk about that um why then not U
propose a solution which would see
access off green hose Road it's
obviously a more substantial road than
the neighboring Court um that just seems
like lazy design work to not um consider
that I mean it's not exactly a new
phenomenon to have a child care center
of a block of that size with access off
the the primary Road um thus you take
away you know one of the key concerns of
residents that you're flooding their
court with um with traffic so I'm just
curious as to why that wasn't considered
uh it was thank you Council Maloney Mr
kingberg thank you very much thank you
for the question uh it was considered we
went through multiple design iterations
we were try we were balancing uh the
need for appropriate location of play
spaces with um the need for Access off
the various roads greenhous Road Benson
close and from our perspective on
balance on balance when you look at the
different trade-offs required for play
areas noise generated by children play
access and EG ress this design um is the
most
appropriate it minimizes so sorry are
you cannot ask further questions this
design
minimizes adverse immed impacts when it
comes to noise traffic access and eress
so it was considered various designs
were considered can I ask you a follow
question
sorry Mr may I might ask my followup
question now to the planning director
through you if that's right yes uh were
alternate plans presented to council
which demonstrated an attempt to
genuinely um access off Greenhouse Road
you know sorry I've seen so many of
these developments get done I find it
mind-bogglingly hard to believe that
there is only one place to put a a play
Space um there are Myriad of different
designs that pretty much just cut and
paste from all over bat uh that show um
a center of this size with 90 odd places
well in fulfilled with access off a
primary road so I'm curious if through
you Mr met the director were uh alterate
plans presented or were they just
considered thank you director Robertson
three you Mr Mayor so councilor Maloney
thank you for the question um I do
believe that all options were considered
including because the preference is
always is to come off the the more major
road Zone but you have to look at how
that occurs and and how traffic flows on
Greenhouse Road so I think um what our
traffic and transport team ultimately
settled on if you can imagine traffic
slowing to turn in off Greenhouse Road
um and then coming back into Greenhouse
Road um from um the frontage it wasn't
considered the best solution in terms of
traffic movement um just by the way by
virtue of the way imagine if for example
the car parks at the front you're coming
in off Greenhouse Road and now you're
trying to gain access onto Greenhouse
Road and so are another a number of
other people who are parked out the
front if that makes sense so you
actually can creating a more um
dangerous traffic situation so that's
why the team have then gone to um how
could traffic flow if it came into the
Side Access Road and would that be a
better controlled way of traffic coming
in and out of the site but also onto
Greenhouse Road
so that's a rough sort of
um example of how they looked at it and
what they worked through with the
applicant so um I am satisfied that
they've looked at every option and
they've landed through consultation with
the traffic and transport team on what
they think is the better option for
traffic flow but then I'll put to you
when you weigh up amenity and noise um
the you do try to locate the children's
play areas away from from the
residential boundaries because if you
put them on the residential boundaries
you've got um greater noise throughout
the day or at various times so generally
you try to place the the the play Space
on the areas that would less impact so
for example this play Space is actually
um I think cuz my screen just went off
but um the play space or the open SPAC
is um are buted by the road boundary and
the um car park for example so that's
how they address the noise amenity plus
the acoustic fencing and the 1.4 or 5
meter fencing is literally the front
fence but the other boundary fences are
the 2.4 M so so the work has been done
for acoustic fencing in that respect
thank you director Robinson Mr kingberg
can I ask whether your client owns other
child care facilities I act I honestly
don't know I don't believe they do so
this is this is a first time in
investment for them in their child care
space I I don't know the answer to that
question okay yeah for sure councilor
harres thank you Mr Mayor I would
actually like to move an alternate
recommendation that we thank you Mr
kingberg thank you you're afraid to
resum sorry councel um yeah I'd like to
move an alternate recommendation that we
refuse the planning permit and if I have
a second or I'll speak to it can we just
bring that officer recommendation up on
the screen
that's there is the
motion it's there and second for the
motion councel Eddie councilor HRA you
have the
floor thank you Mr Mayor and as we've
heard from residents um this just does
not fit within the uh the neighborhood
the site is not the right one for this
kind of development I feel and look
based as the recommendation says um that
it fails to avoid direct to the local
Road network uh the compounding offside
effects will be detrimental to the
surrounds um it goes on to talk about
the reduced number of car Parks but I
think we also need to recognize actually
before I go on that this was called in
by councilor Ben Taylor um and I really
commend him for doing that and for
listening to the community on this one
who are going to be very much affected
by this development if it does go ahead
um because we need to recognize it's not
just about car movement although that is
a massive feature of of what this would
do to the court um but there are many
other impacts on um the people who live
there and this is a small Court um we
know that large volumes of traffic don't
flow well through courts as it is um
it's it's not wide um to have a car
parked on either side of the road you'd
only just fit one car down the middle
which will be a significant ific problem
especially in those busy times of drop
off and pickup within the report it says
the proposal is for six classrooms of 92
children uh and 17 staff coming directly
into that b and close um it also looks
at a traffic generation for a you know
your regular Child Care Center of about
77 movements per hour of a car or that
breaks down to about one car per minute
which is a lot um
and I can't remember which one of the
residents was that pointed out some
other things specifically to Child Care
Centers like opening doors to get kids
out of car seats um you know there's
significant dangers around that I just
wonder you know if it's 92 children you
know take one parent perhaps or one car
of to drop off a child that that's we're
now up to 180 people 17 staff we're well
over 200 people moving in and out of
that Court per day I don't know how many
of us would be happy to have that happen
in the door in the in the property next
door to us or over our Back Fence um
this is old delome and I mean that in
the nicest kindest way possible this is
the kind of place where people have
lived for decades and really enjoyed the
amenity that they have or perhaps they
moved there to bless you to
retire as well um this is a clear case
of business um and commercial interest
spting up against people's homes and
quality of life and as much as we all
appreciate um children and we know that
there is a need for child care that that
spot in particular does um it's it's
just up the road from delome primary
it's just down the other side of the
road from a major um roundabout that
goes onto Wilshire Lane that is busy
busy busy um that Wilshire Lane then
goes up to the det TC like that whole
area is is pretty chaotic in terms of
traffic management at the best of times
I don't feel like um siphoning you know
an extra hundred cars per day down a
little court is going to be a good
result for any of the people that live
there we recognize um you know children
are our future and and and we love
children and If This Were me you know 10
years ago and you put a Child Care
Center in across the road for me I'd
probably be stoked um as would probably
many of the residents if we put it if it
was to go a bit further down say in your
winter Valley or in your newer um you
know places that have big family homes
and and playgrounds and that sort of
stuff I just think this is not the spot
for it um I do worry about the spillover
from the school in terms of cars and
traffic as well um you know Council does
struggle or Ballarat does struggle
around nearly every school in Ballarat I
would say around drop off and pickup
time um many of us who've had kids at
school know that you know it's it's just
it can be a really stressful time of the
morning and the afternoon people are
busy
um yeah it's and I mean we talk about um
amenity and I think it is important to
recognize like some of the residents
have brought up tonight that they're not
going to be getting any amenity out of
this as the people that live there um
they don't have kids of that age anymore
um
it's just not a good fit but I think if
we're looking at it from what actual
grounds there are traffic control you
know we've well and truly proven the
case um that this is this is not a fit I
think if this goes ahead we're just
creating a bigger problem for ourselves
as well as residents down the track and
I don't know why we would do it you've
got to look at also the fact that being
a court you know cars will have to go
down turn around and come back out um
I'm assuming most of the the car parks
of the the um the 20 or 19 that are
there will be used up by staff and a
couple of people to drop off kids and
the rest are going to end up in Benson
Court Greenhouse Road is is is flat out
busy I wouldn't want to um park there at
that time of
day I don't know I think the residents
have summed it up really really well um
and I think it's the right choice uh in
this instance and there are so many
other better places where this could go
which would be a better for um everyone
so thank you thank you councilor
Hargraves councilor Eddie as the second
up speak we're speaking you're speaking
for the recommendation which is a
refusal motion to deny the
facility thank you very much for that
just for the clarity uh look everything
Council Hargraves agreed said I agree
with um I accept that some of these
decisions
are right within the rules and and it's
the officer's job to bring them forward
in that vein um but it's this to me is
no different than Park Street windery
you know it's no different than the V
Street and power all these issues there
comes a time when we've got to be
recognizing the fact that the quality of
life for our residents uh is is
important and I think Mr Talent you know
spoke very well on that and very
forcefully and we talk a lot in bat and
we pride ourselves quite rightfully so
on our heritage and maintaining our
history and looking to preserve all
those things in the
past but I'm not quite sure that we uh
have that same focus on the here and now
living community that we that we
recognize that the people that make up
what bate is in addition to its Heritage
and its history other things that make b
a great place to live um I'm sure there
are this is an urgently needed facility
it's just the wrong site and I couldn't
support it thank you thank you councilor
Eddie is your councilor speaking for the
recommendation councilor
McIntosh I'll speak for the
recommendation that counc Hargraves has
moved and councilor ready has seconded
and um really just to reiterate a lot of
the really important points that have
been put To Us by the uh Community this
evening uh it is really important that
we
understand consider contemplate go and
look at and and really get to feel what
the community are experiencing at the
moment and what they're likely to
experience if this goes ahead I agree
with uh with councilor Eddie that this
is a needed facility it's just not the
right place and uh Joan Talent went
through that big long list and and thank
you very much Joan there was a lot of
work in that um going through all of the
different facilities and the comparisons
of those facilities to this one that's
proposed and it doesn't mean as we heard
councilor Hargraves mention that it
hasn't ticked all the boxes um that the
officers have had to consider uh when
they put together the recommendation to
present to us but you know residential
area not having businesses around um you
know the parks the through roads um the
industry looking at those great big
double roads and all sorts of other
things that have that are very familiar
with all of the other facilities that
Mrs Talent presented to us we look at
this area and it's a lovely quiet
community with local residents that have
got to know each other really well I
think there's always a good that comes
out of these difficult situations and
that sounds like it's a really great
thing that has happened um but we know
that um this is as we heard tonight 99%
residential area and as we are making
decisions in this Council chamber uh
we're here to be a voice on behalf of
our community and that means a voice on
behalf of our business Community as well
as our residential Community it's it's a
voice on behalf of everyone and we need
to balance up the challenges that there
are in each of these proposals um I see
this as the best way forward there will
be a better position somewhere it's not
not about saying no to a child care
center that is absolutely needed but it
certainly is in this area uh in my mind
not the right place thank you Council
McIntosh so Council speaking against the
motion councilor Harris no thanks Mr
Mayor um and thanks for the residents
for presenting um though heartfelt and
probably from better people than me the
um councilors they're never easy these
decisions I mean we we're
here um in this setting um to administer
the
rules uh the rules are there to enable
us to have
infrastructure um there is decreased
amenity no doubt for those residents
probably significant decreased amenity
but we've got to have child care
facilities as well there the many Myriad
other things that we have to have in uh
residential areas or at least permit
within it um not that I want
particularly councilors to think of this
being reviewed in in other jurisdictions
but seriously I mean look at that I mean
the the reality is every possible thing
is possible uh Council regulation has
been applied to it uh and our officers
have told us that U it's past must um
the reality is um the black letter law
which we administer in this setting is
all about um um maintaining a greater
Equity um it does have negative impact
and we've heard from the residents who
will have some negative impacts I'm sure
of that but in reality we can't manage
Case by case in the end we have got to
have firm solid planning regulations so
that we can you know continue to develop
um sadly I I can't go along with this
recommendation thank you councilor
Harris um I will also rise and speak in
favour of the recommendation which is to
to refuse and in doing so uh a couple of
comments that I wish to make and
certainly having spent some time with
some of the residents out in Benson
close and talking about it soon after
the advertising um phase but certainly
when you stand there this is just an
inappropriate development in this
particular location and as Council hgra
said it is old part of of delcom and for
a reason that the Aging population that
is in that path there is a growth
Corridor just literally hundreds of
meters further down the road that would
be better suited um for a particular
facility like this I actually don't
agree with the aspect where councilors
are saying we desperately need child
care facilities we have a plethora of
child care facilities that have been uh
built across our city and others that
are in the wings for consideration and
there are child care facilities in our
city that are not performing uh and
returning uh or that are running at a
loss so there is an enormous amount of
opportunity I think any parent that
wanted to access a childcare facility
could literally walk in tomorrow and be
guaranteed a site it is very different
to what we had when I first started on
Council 20 plus years ago where there
was an unders Supply and um Child Care
was a critical issue but that's not the
case and there has been any number of
different Child Care Facilities that
have been opened some by um owners that
are external to bat that just see it as
another facility as part of a
portfolio this is in an inappropriate
location for a whole range of different
reasons the traffic movements down
through the um Court the location of
where it is for me it just does not
stack up on any measure Council Maloney
I think has said in previous debating
items where Council have refused
planning applications for growth for
housing planning applications and yet we
have a housing crisis here we are at the
other end of the scale where a developer
for a commercial interest is wanting to
tear down a house that could be
otherwise used for someone to be able to
live in that would ease just a little
bit the housing crisis and if we have if
we continue to have applications that
come that are about demolition of
housing when we have a housing crisis
for a commercial entity that is only
going to add to that so on any number of
those GRS and I I certainly heard the
argument from from Mr Talent around how
is this different to the application for
the power core substation around the
fact that this is advocating for people
that just want us to be a voice we've
done it many times and all of us sitting
around this table have been able to
argue against officer recommendations at
different times we have all taken that
stance at different time so this is just
another time that it is okay to
absolutely do that where we feel and we
weigh up what is the best way forward
what is in the best interest of our
community and this I don't see is in the
best interest of our community council
Maloney uh thanks Mr Mayor I'll also
speak in favour of the motion which is to
refuse the permit
um look I guess over my several years as
Council it's been a privilege yet to
meet a lot of people on the journey and
the story tonight's not that uncommon it
happens a lot where a lot of people
don't know their neighbors all that well
um until a big yellow sign goes up one
day um you with a permanent application
and all of a sudden there's a frenzy of
activity trying to figure out how to
oppose it um the problem in that is that
you sometimes end up with um community
members who are so inexperienced in this
planning process that there's this
massive power imbalance between a
resident who's just trying to get their
head around this development that's
upsetting them um versus a developer
that is is smick they they know every
little in and out of of the planning
legislation it's it's a grossly inequal
system um so I think that um the
residents there um I I sorry I'm not
there tonight to to be with you but
hopefully my voice can help a little bit
um you will fail if you make the
argument purely on the emotion it's
right to feel pissed off it's right to
feel a bit upset by the situation um but
uh vcat and this is inevitably going to
go to vcat won't care one iota about
that they will purely take this in
regard to uh the planning um
implications of it and whether they can
or can't continue with it so if you
ignore councilor Harris's words um I
think that's definitely to your peril um
this one's got to be very clearly argued
in regard to um the the traffic
implications in particular I think It's
Not Unusual to have a child care center
in these type of areas It's Not Unusual
to have a child care center even on a
sort of a main road as in in greenhous
Road that's between Wilshire and Sutton
so it's between a couple of other big
roads um so its location is not that
uncommon how however the movement of
traffic though onto a deadend court is a
bit more Uncommon and I think that's
your your more solid grounds to be
arguing in a planning sense so by all
means be upset be motivated but the
arguments from vcap point of view um I'm
bit disappointed that um that our team
combined with the developer hasn't
really genuinely considered about
movements onto the main road it's not
even remotely uncommon um so the the the
presenter earlier went through a list of
um of other child care options around um
the city in that area um you know I'm
thinking of several myself which do have
the the traffic predominantly onto the
main road to avoid the impacts of a
residential street um so um I think
that's your better grounds to argue um
you know it the castle makes for a great
movie you know home's my castle and
don't disrupt me but unfortunately vcat
will take a fairly inhumane way of
reviewing it um and um you the presenter
earlier you're right there's a lot of it
doesn't sound like a very Humane process
sometimes it can be bit clinical um but
um you my my counsel and advice in this
one would be to be clinical back um in
regard to the the traffic movement side
I think that's the strongest ground this
one so I commend councilor harr's
alternate motion thank you councilor
Milani councel codes I've just got a
question Mr Mayor there's some kind of
typo in the alternative Motion in one
AI avoid direct to the local Road
Network I think I understand the
intention but what's the missing word
there
be I can answer that yes it it should
say avoid Direct access to the local
Road Network sorry about
that yep so if the move and second
councilor hares at C accept the
insertion of the word access that will
reposition the
recommendation so that's just being
added Council coats yep you wish to
speak to the motion I'll I'll speak in
support of the motion I don't really
have any additional points to add to
other councilors and the residents I
think the case has been put fairly
clearly so I'm happy to support that
alternative um motion with with that
correction made good pickup you um
councilor hug rves you have the right to
close the debate thank you Mr Mayor and
look I would say Council Maloney has
really put that well and summed up um
how this process does tend to work it it
planning can be quite black and white
and emotion doesn't really matter and as
awful as that sounds um that's the way
it tends to be looked at if it ticks the
box then it's permitted you know
sometimes so I would I would Echo that
in you know really combing through what
the specifics of the grounds are I think
it was Joan that brought up the other
childcare centers in the area um and
you're right they do they are different
from this one this one like take the one
that's on um between Greenhouse Road and
the highway up the other end on Sutton
Street it takes up the whole breadth of
that block you can drive all the way
through like it's completely different
and all of those other ones that you
brought up had similar kind of access um
to them so I would really go away
between the group of you and Hammer out
what you know how to best approach this
if it does end up in bcat which it
probably will um I just tell you that we
support you um except for councilor
Harris but that's okay it's good to have
um you know it would be bad if we agreed
on absolutely everything and he's right
we do need need child care but we also
need to be able to get our bins out we
also need to be able to get in and out
of the street that we live in we also
need to be able to relax in our own
backyards and have some quiet time at
the end of the day and I commend you for
coming together as such a well organized
group um sorry to the applicants but
yeah that's it thank you councilor
harres councilors I'll put the motion
all those in favour of the alternate
recommendation all those against the
motion is carried Council had a request
for a comfort break if I could have a
move for that move councilor McIntosh
seconded councilor Hargraves all those
in favour against that's carried have a
five minute break
councilors any councilors a motion to
move back into the move councilor
McIntosh second to councilor Eddie all
those in favour the item is carried we're
back live into the agenda thank you for
rejoining us those people online item
9.3 is the growth areas quarterly report
is there Council willing to move the the
recommendation move councilor Eddie
second to councilor McIntosh councilor
Eddie you have the floor uh thank you
and I didn't have a lot to say I think
there's been an enormous amount of work
done to bring this to where it is at the
moment so thank you to the officers for
that I was pleased to see in the uh in
the final um recommendations that we had
some fixed timelines against some of the
areas we're working on in 2024 to
hopefully give us some certainty around
when some of the key Milestones need to
be reached I know there's a huge body of
work most of which I have trouble
keeping up with understanding but um
it's obviously a very complex and
challenging area um and as I've said in
the past you my only real concern this
is to make sure we keep things in terms
of properties and land as affordable as
we can so as long as we've got an end
goal in mind of getting this work done
uh I'm really happy and delighted that
the work has progressed so well so thank
you thank you Council Eddie councilor
McIntosh and any other Council wishing
to speak for the motion against the
motion put the motion all those in favour
against the item is carried council's
item 9.4 is the attender for drainage
works at Mr power park there is an
office of recommendation in front of you
if someone would like to move move
councilor Eddie seconded councilor
Harris councilor Eddie have the floor
happy to to be received as is thank you
Council Eddie Council Harris wish to
contribute if not any other Council
wishing to speak for the motion against
the motion put the motion all those in
favour against that's carried item 9.5 is
the disability advisory committee
membership inclusion of two new members
to the committee councilor coats moving
seconded councilor Hargraves councilor
coats I'll just thank the outgoing
committee members for their contribution
and welcome the incoming committee
members it's really important work that
gets done in the disability advisory
committee they're a really high
functioning committee and the work that
they do feeds into the next report
actually around the inclusion framework
as well so it really helps shape our
city to become more inclusive
very good councilor hares is the second
yeah just really the same thing to thank
Katherine and Ashley the outgoing uh
committee members and to congratulate
Claudia and Mark for stepping up it's
such a great committee they do so much
um you know for for for nothing as in
they fully volunteer they give so much
you know really um good lived experience
advice and they're a really valuable
committee to for us to have thank you
thank you councilor hard Graves any
Council wish to speak for the motion
against the motion I'll put the motion
all those in favour the item is carried
item 9.6 is the community inclusion
framework implementation report is there
a council wishing to move that report
councilor coats and a seconder councilor
Maloney councilor coat you have the
floor sure and like a lot of the most
important policy work that we do this
probably isn't going to attract a lot of
Fan Fair or Kudos by but I think this is
the kind of thing that really shapes who
we are as a city and as an organization
and we can't underestimate how much um
impact this important work has across
Intercultural inclusion
LGBT iqa plus inclusion uh gender Equity
disability access and inclusion um it
touches on the The First Nation
inclusion as well and so to have a
really integrated approach on how we
function as a city is incredibly
important and it's really important for
us as councilors to to see these regular
up updates and see how that work is is
happening and you know I I just can't
help but comment on how much has changed
in the last 10 years so this work
wouldn't be before us 10 years ago we
wouldn't actually be the
Intercultural Cosmopolitan inclusive
City that that we are and um and that
has Ripple effects within the
organization and out into the community
so I think I think this is where local
government really shines that the work
that happens here impacts in a really
significant way on state and federal
policy and we've seen it in a number of
different Realms so I I won't um I won't
add any additional comments to that the
report is there for all councilors to to
read but really just um commend all the
the work that has gone into into this
report and the officers that all do a
terrific job across all of those areas
that fall within the inclusion framework
and I actually find it really useful to
to know that that that work is being
integrated and um and really
complimenting each area compliment other
areas as as well so um full kudos to the
report thank you Council coat Council
Maloney um as always Council coat has
said it said it well
and sry start again Council yeah so I've
got remember there's a delay sorry about
that uh I think councilor coats as
always has said it said it well um the
danger unfortunately at this time of the
night when we're whipping through some
of reports is the officers might think
that by us endorsing it really quickly
that it's not important um if anything
please take sometimes the lack of
feedback on these things as the fact
that we wholeheartedly endorse uh this
work because it's such important stuff I
think Council coat is right that A lot's
changed over recent years um and um I've
only been on Council seven years nowhere
near as long as yourself Mr May um but
um I've noticed dramatic change in that
time you know the councilors who went
before me and some of you are still
around the table there uh did a lot of
work in the inter cultural space um in
disability space um even getting the the
wrap underway from a a Reconciliation
perspective so this is some of the early
ground work and then in more recent
times there's been um even further
advancements on um aging and youth
strategies which is which has come a
long way in recent years as well and the
more recent um you know significant work
around LGBT iqa plus um communities as
well but um I guess one of my prder
moments as as mayor and being sort of
around when it happened um you know
taking the credit for the great work of
the staff um really was bringing it all
together as an inclusion framework um so
uh we might be a younger member of the
community but from a different cultural
background we might be an older member
of the community um but intersecting
with that or overlapping with that we
might be part of the LGBT community as
well so you know we are many different
things um um we're not just you know one
one element of our society so how all
these things overlap or intersect is
important um because it really does go
to the heart of how do we make life
better for our residents and just be
that welcoming place that we've talked
about for a long time uh but this is the
series of actions to make sure we live
up to our words and I think that's
really important um and hearing uh
councilor coats myself and um and
councilor Harris uh were at the arari
last week um meeting up with the the new
and revised lgbtqa Plus um committee and
talking to them about how we've already
achieved um you know 34s of the strategy
there um and it's a up to this new group
to carry it forward so a whole lot of
actions that have started to actually
result in positive change for the
community and this is because there's a
bunch of officers behind the scenes
working hard so please um director
Wilson pass on to your team or even to
yourself as well uh your team and uh
that we appreciate their work thank you
thank you councilor Maloney
any other Council wishing to speak for
the motion councilor Harris um thanks Mr
May um I'll speak briefly but um it is I
think as Council coach points out local
government does lead the way in some
respects and uh in the past maybe our
society saw some strength in the
monoculture and you know reinforcing it
from time to time and um the lesson
perhaps have been the last generation is
the strength that we get from diversity
um in every respect um and in fact that
defines our society more and more and
the strength that we see on it I think
this um uh the work from our officers
really does emphasize that and again so
as Council Maloney was saying some
things they they do tend to go too
quickly past us but we should be proud
should be proud of this it's good work
thank you councilor Harris any other
Council speaking for the motion against
the motion put the motion all those in
favour the motion is carried council's
item 9.7 is the health and well-being
annual report C councel coats happy to
move seconded councilor McIntosh
councilor coats you have the floor yes
I'm also going to speak to this one
because again I think this is some of
the most important work that gets done
and it's not it's not actually optional
work it's a requirement within the ACT
to have a health and well-being plan so
when we occasionally hear residents
saying things like stick to roads rates
and rubbish that's actually not true we
are required to to act on health and
well-being and again it's one of those
areas that you know it doesn't often
come with a lot of Fan Fair but it it
really is at the heart of what uh what
makes our community well so um I commend
the update it covers I think it refers
to 52 strategies which is a bit hard to
believe isn't it but touches on the
important areas like tackling climate
change and its impact on health that's
that's that's a requirement within the
ACT it's not optional but it's often an
area that's chronically underresourced
as well and I think you know going back
to the comments I made in regard to the
previous report um local government
leads the way but often leads the way in
a in a really underresourced way on a
shoestring budget in tackling some of
those those really big issues like that
like um the impact of climate change on
health but also um tackling all forms of
violence and and mental health issues as
as well so it's great to to get the
regular update like this and uh again
commend all the officers for the work
that they they do in this important area
thank you councilor coats councilor
McIntosh thank you Mr Mayor I'll follow
on from some of the comments um that
councilor coat has made and to also
reflect on some of those other pillars
and focuses throughout this uh really
important health and well-being and your
report as we know it's the second year
of its implementation and and as
councilor coats has said it's a
legislative requirement that we do this
um it's also really important to know
that it's about increasing healthy
eating not increasing eating but
increasing healthy eating it's about
increasing
activity um it's about mental health um
reducing harm smoking uh alcohol
gambling and all sorts of other drugs
there's there's some really important
pillars within this particular plan it
is an absolute legislative requirement
and it's a significant piece of work um
Council coats also mentioned the 52
different uh strategies that divide um
this significant pillar of works and uh
it's great for it to come back to us uh
in this report uh form so that we can
actually keep track of everything that
the city is doing achieving and uh and
our support of a healthy happy active
Community is a result of this work thank
you councilor McIntosh any other Council
wishing to speak for the motion against
the motion put the motion all those in
favour against the motion is carried
council's item 9. 8 26 of January events
and activities Council wishing to move
the the report move councilor Eddie
second to councilor McIntosh councilor
Eddie you have the floor uh thank you Mr
Mayor and again um this was bought into
Council just in response to some queries
at our last meeting um I think it's
important that we actually have a formal
process and a structured process to work
towards uh some outcomes and deciding uh
after consult ation on what is best for
our city next year uh and going forward
beyond that sorry not next year the year
after that 2025 so um I think that uh
the the process put in place uh provides
the right direction and the right uh
structure for consultation and can come
back to council mid year which will be a
good outcome thank you thank you Council
Eddie Council
McIntosh um to support councilor Eddie's
comments and uh also earlier on there
was some questioning in the chamber
around what we do on this day um
it is really important for us to
continually engage with our community
and to really listen and understand what
it is that they are hoping to see and
participate with to be able to celebrate
to be able to um care about remember and
reflect on and obviously the 26th of
January means something different to
many different people there are many
many different people in our community
as councilor coats referred to before
our Intercultural community has
strengthened and over the years we've
certainly
seen our broad Community embracing
people from around the globe and and all
sorts of people with all sorts of
focuses and um and and different ways of
living of different cultures uh of
different family beliefs and uh of
different ways of engaging so I think
this is a really important piece of
works that we need to be very careful
about um we need to walk carefully
through through each of our 26th of
January uh package of events uh we have
got a council recommendation that we
have supported in this chamber already
on the table and this takes us forward
uh with a really Wise Way of
communicating with our community
capturing their views and making sure
that we continue working with our
community uh to deliver projects that
they very much enjoy appreciate and
believe in thank you councilor McIntosh
Council
Maloney um yeah thank you I agree with
the sentiment of councilors mckintosh
and councilor Eddie uh just in as well
and this has always been hard space and
people will sometimes say well why
should local government medal in the
first place but local government's got
to reflect the local circumstances as we
saw during the more recent unfortunate
referendum um Australia is a pretty huge
diverse place and opinions are
dramatically different all around the
country and it's pretty hard I can see
why no federal government in their right
mind would want to touch this issue for
the foreseeable future um in either way
because it's just such a difficult issue
to address um across the country so
local governments are the ones that are
left with coming up with trying to
figure out how they can address um the
demographics and the wishes and um the
changing circumstances within their own
community so it's absolutely appropriate
for the city of Ballarat to to look at
that to consult get some feedback to
also not be taken um by you know some
Fringe you know small um numbers of of
comments um from you know left and right
of politics um but to sort of you know
step back and we look at what is
actually working for the majority of
people in our city and what really
reflects who we are in Bat so um this is
an okay way forward thank you councilor
Maloney councilor speaking for the
motion
councilor someone push the
button C councilor Harris you have
fingers on the
button oh sorry speaking against the
motion Council Harris c one off um uh
probably is no surprise Mr May January
26 doesn't fill me with a great deal of
joy is the day that we celebrate and um
as I've told many councils before I love
Fireworks I'm a big for celebrations for
public holidays but um why folk can't
see it's on the right right day on the
wrong day always just sounds me however
in saying that I I just think you know
this is a classic piece of like let's
not make a decision let's have a have an
inquiry about you know um uh where our
community you know feels on it um I
think that's one is one that you feel
fairly viscerally and and I don't
imagine any councilor sitting in amongst
us now is probably going to change their
opinion too much on the base of what
could be really just quite a divisive
study really um and um I don't think
it's going to edify our processes um
people look back at this and laugh I
reic I mean the I I hate to say on the
wrong side of History this just puts us
so far the wrong side of History I think
this will just be an amusic anecdote in
25 years I hope so I hope it hasn't
precipitate anything worse than that but
now this is um a waste of time and and
shouldn't uh mitigate to the fact that
we um should really start to look at
some of these issues and embrace them
and those decision making for that
decision making for our community at
this level thank you councilor Harris
Council speaking for the motion speaking
against the motion councilor
Cates look I wasn't going to speak
against it but I do actually agree with
councilor Harris that this really isn't
probably isn't going to get us any
anywhere it is the result it is the
result of the majority of councilors
voting down a proposed really tiny step
forward and look if we couldn't do that
I don't think the consultation really
going to tell us anything um the report
is fine it it does actually really
respectfully um point out the need to to
consult um carefully with the people
most impacted
and what we were talking about at the
last council meeting was a citizenship
ceremony on January 26 and the people
most impacted our first Nations people
Aboriginal and to straight Islander
people on that day to say that that
others are greatly impacted on a
citizenship when which is one of 10 up
to 10 that occur in a year is is a bit
disingenuous so it is it is it is
actually pretty embarrassing that um
this Council wasn't able to take a
leadership position and take a tiny step
forward out of respect
um and in the spirit of
reconciliation it's it's quite difficult
and disingenuous I feel to to really
really put the First Nations Community
through through another round of
consultation which I I do actually agree
with councilor Harris that would you
know it's it's not it's unlikely to move
us forward when there is a a a political
bind around this issue within this this
Council however um I understand if if
this does have the numbers and we will
support the community engagement but I
think it it really just does point out
that there was a missed opportunity to
show leadership um it's rather dis it's
disappointing but it's also
disingenuous to use the excuse of
community consultation around this
particular issue I uh I do feel really
strongly about it and we've seen the
conservative media and um various
Federal politicians dog whistling on
this issue and it's not good enough we
need to do better as a nation we need to
do better as local government and we
need to do better as communities there's
such a long long way to go and I feel
quite sad about it thank you councilor
coats councilor speaking for the motion
speaking against the motion councilor
Eddie you have the opportunity to close
if not councilors I'll put the motion
all those in favour all those against the
motion is carried councilors item 9.9
the Ballarat visitor arrival master plan
is there a council willing to move the
officer's report
councilor McIntosh councilor de second
councilor Eddie councilor McIntosh you
have the
floor uh through you Mr Mayor I support
the recommendation as the officers have
written it It's always important for us
to continue looking into the future and
making sure that we've got really solid
plans that we've got really solid
guidelines that we've got a really solid
structure of the way that we need to
move forward there's there's been uh
some significant work in this area over
the last couple of years there's been
some significant changes in our visitor
economy in our visitor activities uh in
the different groups that are uh
representative of of our visitor uh
communities and for us to continually
look at this area with new master plan
with new approach
uh it it will take us a Long Way Forward
um we know that balarat is a significant
area that attracts tourism not just from
our broader regions but from the
Metropolitan centers and
internationally and with the significant
growth that we've got here in balarat
and the new opportunities that are
coming to our table like the world
heritage serial listing of the
goldfields um and many other wonderful
events like white
KN um we know know that the visitor
experience is changing and we need to
continually be ready for uh a new look
new way forward thank you councilor
McIntosh councilor Eddie uh thank you Mr
Mayor and and look yeah I think with the
new directorate formed I think this is
um been an exciting opportunity as part
of that process um I think we're all
aware that the challenges facing you
know the tourism and the and that
economy and uh even then the flowing
effects of businesses within our
community that are reliant in those
areas I think there is a lot of work to
do I think that this report um and the
fact that you know we're really focusing
on enhancing the visitor experience and
really how they Journey around our city
um how we then look to identify what are
the best key Concepts to go forward with
um what works with our strategic plan
how that aligns with the art gallery and
and what's happening in that space and
then probably more important importantly
identifying the key priorities looking
at the funding options and getting on
and getting some stuff done so I thought
it's a really well balanced report and
it's really sort of aspirational in the
sense of saying to us that um we want to
be the Benchmark for regional cities uh
and we really want to go after making
sure we can be the very best we can so
I'm very happy to commend the report
thank you councilor Eddie any other
Council speaking for the motion against
the motion put the motion all those in
favour against the motion is carried
councilors item 9.10 is the financial
report and performance statement which
is largely a procedural motion is there
Council willing to move councilor
McIntosh second councilor Harris
councilor
Mack s councilor Harris is the second
any discussion no not councilors I'll
put the motion all those in favour
against the motion is carried council is
another procedural motion 9.11 s11a
instrument of appointment and
authorization delegations moved
councilor McIntosh second to councilor
Eddie any discussion councilors put the
motion all those in favour against that's
carried councilors another procedural
motion 9.12 section 6 instrumental of
Delegation to members of Staff move
councilor Harris seconded councilor
McIntosh any discussion not put the
motion all those in favour against the
motion is
carried outstanding Question Time items
councilors for your noting moved
councilor Harris second
councilor Eddie any discussion
councilors not put the motion all those
in favour against that's carried there
are no notice of motions council's
reports from committee or from
councilors around the
table councilor makintosh uh through you
Mr Mayor this is a follow-up one and
I've only just read it while I've been
in the middle of debate and
presentations in the chamber tonight so
I don't have any great detail pal butt a
qu a follow-up question from uh one of
the residents in the white flat area
that was intending to come into the
chamber tonight to ask a question they
weren't able to so I'm just wondering if
if we can have it's around um
the camping situation I know that we've
talked about camping not being illegal
um however they referring to Clause 18
of the local
law
6610 and it refers to local Council not
being
legal so um that is the question is can
they find it get a bit more information
about that
please so director Robertson you Mr
Mayor thank you for the question Council
McIntosh it's not that it's not legal
you need a planning uh sorry you need a
local laws permit to Camp um generally
in the case of the homeless situation
if you even if you impose a fringement
infringement the the process is still a
long and arduous process because it's
not camping in the context that um we
would be able to serve a notice and then
they would um we would be able to evict
them it's it's um how do I explain it we
we view our our our rough sleepers are
are homeless in a different context to
when someone has decided to Camp there
and
um for uh for leisure purposes so if you
want to camp on a site you have to get a
local o permit when we address it
through a homeless or rough sleeper
situation we prefer to engage with our
um agencies in a process of um of
removing or having those people exit the
site in a way that provides them with
another opportunity for housing so it's
not that it's a not um not that it's
illegal it's that you do need a local
laws permit thank you director Robertson
Council McIntosh um I guess uh through
this has been one that um has been well
managed and and it's uh wonderful to see
that those people have support a
agencies and and a place um that's not
down there camping and causing all sorts
of problems for the many other hundreds
of local people in our community and
really what it says to me is we just
can't take our foot off the pedal with
this um we know it's been a problem over
a number of years none of us um uh
expect that we will just push these
people somewhere else we know how
important it is to work with the likes
of uniting police and others um and and
our big goal is to continue working with
the community as well um and with our
Council Office to do the best that we
possibly can to prevent anything like
this from happening again I guess it
this is where it gets a bit awkward and
difficult for our community because they
read our local law and that's what it
says it says that it's illegal and and
that then creates quite a bit of um
angst because expectation expectation in
the works because they can see that we
do have a local law that that actually
says that uh and then they're
questioning the way that we're operating
um so I just think we're we're in a
position at the moment where We've Got a
Way Forward maybe short term um but I
think that we've done some really good
work over the last few weeks and and we
just need to stay
focused um following the path that we
have been to try and prevent uh the
challenges that there are with that
local community the dangers that there
are they need to be safe in their own
local areas equally our sporting people
need to be active um we were just
talking about our health and well-being
plan and it's so important that our
community a fit and healthy and have the
opportunity to play sport and socialize
it's physical intellectual emotional and
social and that's what we're talking
about um this particular uh challenge
that keeps coming to us um is one that's
not going to go away tomorrow I wouldn't
imagine uh and that we're just going to
have to continue looking at really
closely um and I just again say thank
you to the residents for keeping us up
to date with how that space is I I think
that helps us deal with the situation in
a better manner so that it's you know as
broad as it can possibly be we're
looking at
everyone's um everyone's requirements
everyone's Health requirements
everyone's physical situation emotional
situation it's a social challenge that
we'll have to continue dealing with
thank you Council mininas um director
Robertson question without notice um
resident contacted me just bad hour and
a half ago where because of the coming
to the summer season and where length of
grass and issue that poses fire risk and
concerns for Neighbors where we have
issued an order and a cleanup order
what's the length of time that is
allowed before action can be taken by
Council if the resident fails to obey
that order I'm happy if you don't know
the answer to take it on notice but um
there's two here so it could be a fire
prevention notice or it could be an
unsightly property notice so if it's
fire prevention it has a distinct
process which we go through director
Wilson Mr Mayor I'm sorry okay then yes
director Wilson uh thank you for the
question Mr Mayor will'll have to take
that on notice to get you the exact time
period in response yeah I'll follow up
and provide you with the address of the
property tomorrow thank you um
councilors there is no items of urgent
business we do do have one item in
section 66 which we'll need to move into
in camera so just before we sign off for
any viewers that have stayed with us and
have done the Long Haul thank you for
for staying with us and as we sign off
on behalf of all of the councilors and
the CEO and staff from the city of bat
we wish you all a very Merry Christmas
and a safe and prosperous New Year and
look to see you again back online in
2024 thank
you
oh sorry we need a motion to move into
section 66 move councilor Harris second
councilor McIntosh all as in favour G
sets
carried