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councilors would you please be

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upstanding for the opening declaration

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please we the councilors of the City of

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Ballarat declare that we will carry out

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our duties in the best interest of the

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community and through collective

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leadership maintain the highest

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standards of good governance we'd first

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like to acknowledge the traditional

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custodians of the land on which we meet

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this evening the Wadawurrung and Dja Dja people and

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recognize their continuing connection to

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the land and waterways we pay our

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respects to their Elders past present and

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emerging and extend this to all Aboriginal

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and Torres Strait Islander people that are

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joining us in the chamber or online this

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evening please be

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seated this meeting is being broadcast

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on the internet and the recording of the

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meeting will be published on council's

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website as a visitor in the public

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Gallery you may be filmed by remaining

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in the public Gallery you consent to

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being filmed and for the recording of

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you to be made publicly available by the

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Council a copy of council's broadcasting

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and recording of Council meetings

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procedure is available in hard copy at

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this meeting and on council's website

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please speak with one of our staff

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members if you have any questions so

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good evening everyone to those people

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that have braved the chilly windy night

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thank you for coming out and

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participating in our council meeting of

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Wednesday the 24th of July

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2024 and to those that are joining us

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online from the comfort of your own home

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thank you for joining us as well this is

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officially our third last council

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meeting in normal Council time not

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withstanding the need for a council

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meeting in caretaker but the last formal

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meeting where Council  we'll be able

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to determine without potentially any

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caps so thank you councils  there are

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no apologies for absence all counselors

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are present with us this evening

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disclosure of interest counselors are

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there any items on the

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agenda if there are none matters arising

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from the minutes at item

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four councelor

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McIntosh  Mr Mayor I'm just in terms

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of the minutes as we reading the

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minutes they do cover the decisions that

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were made in the council

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chamber but I  wanted to ask a

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question around the audiovisual

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 component the video component of the

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council meeting which is put up as a

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record of that meeting for our community

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to be able to review  for those that

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may not have been in the council chamber

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or may not have been able to watch that

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particular

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recording and my questions around the

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minutes I can see that they are a record

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of the decisions made in the council

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chamber as some people would know

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there are some snippets of that last

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council meeting that have been changed

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or obscured  so visually and audio

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well sorry it's audio wise have been

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obscured and what that does for the

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community and I was with a group of

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people from the community which is what

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alerted me to the change otherwise I

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wouldn't have

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known it was hard to work out what

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they were trying to review

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 interpret summarize and so on and and

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the written Council minutes because they

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only have a support or not support for

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the motion therefore didn't give them

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that extra detail that they wanted

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they wanted to go back and listen to

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some of the discussion that was had in

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the council chamber so in terms of

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transparency trust for our community

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and also the intent of the debate I'm

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wondering Mr Mayor if we can have a

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conversation in our next assembly

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meeting for instance to look at how we

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can do that better if there's going to

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be a change made to the  record the

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video record that the council laws have

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a chance one to be aware that those

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changes are going to be made and to

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determine if that is a true record of

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what the council laws believe it is the

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council laws meeting and I felt a little

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alarmed when I was watching the video

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with the residents that it was different

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to what I recalled the meeting being it

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wasn't nothing was changed in what we

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said but it was the deletion of some of

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the things that were said that therefore

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made it difficult to determine the

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intent of the conversations I understand

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that  maybe the deputy mayor was aware

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that there was a change I think it might

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have been when you were away Mr Mayor

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but I know as a group of councilor

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there's a number of us that had no idea

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that that was to be the case so I'm just

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wondering Mr Mayor

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if we can please have a conversation in

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assembly about a better way to manage

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this so that we can ensure the community

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have a fair and transparent View and

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equally that the councils can as well

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because I felt quite compromised in 

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reviewing those records of the last

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council meeting thank you councelor

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McIntosh and the and the short answer to

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your  question is yes we can

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absolutely do that and I guess to the

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 CEO anything other than to add

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other than that  through you Mr Mayor

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more than happy to bring that to

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councilor assembly to have a

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conversation on on the process  that

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he's undertaken  to review the

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recordings and we need to be careful

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that we separate them out the recording

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is not minutes minutes of the council

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meeting  what council is reviewing

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tonight councelor Harris

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just sort of similar question look

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I've got no particular worries about

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half of my conversation being taken out

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of the record I suppose people heard

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it here and  to be frank when I come

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to a meeting I talk to the counselors

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that's what it's about but so but

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just to make it clear if if we've ?

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bits out of the  you know the

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recording what would be the grounds for

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that was it is it is there a concern

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that in publizing it there's 

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liability for Council or I'm just

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wondering what the rationale is in the

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first place and similarly the same

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rationale would be for  if folk

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have come and ask questions and that

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gets  deleted as well it doesn't seem

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to have the highest standards of

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transparence but I wonder if there is a

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comment about  those sort of changes

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yeah thank you councelor Harris  Mr

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Montgomery is the governance officer

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thank you and through you Mr Mayor

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in accordance with the live broadcasting

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and recording of Council meetings

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procedure where there is a comments or

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elements that have been made in

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relation to a recording of a council's

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 recording of the council meeting is

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then published on the council website

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the recording of it in itself is we need

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to be clear that if there's any comments

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or anything that may be made that could

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have affected another third party or an

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individual that may have grounds to

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 seek an aspect against Council as

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the person or sorry the entity

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publishing said recording we need to

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take action to do that and that's what's

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in accordance with Section 1.4 of that

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procedure which is a decision to assess

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it to determine if there is any

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potential liable for Council and that's

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where an action has been made in

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relation to the last recording thank you

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Mr

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Montgomery council's item five is the

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confirmation of minutes is there a

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councelor wishing to move move councelor

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Hargraves seconded counselor Coates any

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discussion counselors councel m in

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relation to the accepting of the minutes

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in the written form that we're talking

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about now I understand I'm just

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putting my view on the table for these

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particular minutes I feel uncomfortable

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supporting these minutes because I see

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the reflection of that council meeting

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including the audiovisual component

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and for those reasons I wouldn't support

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these minutes as the true

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record yeah thank you councelor m to

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councilors I'll put the motion all those

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in favor against the motion is carried

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thank you councilors can I call for a

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division on that place counc McIntosh

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councel McIntosh calls for a division

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council is in favor of accepting the

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minutes councelor Taylor councelor

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Maloney councelor Hargraves councelor

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Eddie councelor coats councelor Hudson

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those counselors that are against

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accepting the minutes councelor Johnson

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councelor McIntosh and councelor Harris

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the motion is passed six votes to three

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thank you

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councilors we'll now move into public

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question time at

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6:38

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p.m. the first question is from Mr Bruce

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Crawford who is not attending so we'll

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be read out by Mr

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Montgomery thank you and three Mr Mayor

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the question is as follows I recently

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received a printed waste collection

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calendar from Ballarat Council in the

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post when the transfer station vouchers

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are cut out and used the calendar is no

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longer useful how much do these

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calendars cost the rate payers to print

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and

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distribute and a response by the CEO Mr

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King  through you Mr Mayor and thank

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you Mr Crawford for that for that

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question the Wast and recycling

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calendar is printed and distributed on

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an annual basis  it costs

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approximately

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$60,000 a year to to  print it and

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distribute it

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if anyone any residents would like a

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further copy of the calendar  I would

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recommend they contact our customer

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service department and we can print them

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a a copy of the of the calendar and Mr

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Crawford has a second question Mr

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montgomer please come back to in a

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why aren't these vouchers available in a

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digital format and the CEO Mr King

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through you Mr Mayor and thank you Mr

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Crawford for that second question and 

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a really a really good question and a a

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good time to to ask that question 

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we're currently in the process of

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developing  an electronic app that

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will provide digital options for the

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calendar and digital options for for

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vouchers that will obviously be both

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environmentally sustainable but also 

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accessible and easy to be able to change

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if there's any need to change it

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during the year we'll obviously

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 provide hard copies for those that

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would prefer hard copies in the future

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so we look forward to the launch of that

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app that will give people far more

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far easier access to both the calendar

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and the vouchers thank you Mr CEO

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councilor McIntosh  thanks very much

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Mr Mayor I think that was a great second

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question of Mr Crawford's and it does

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part answer the question that I have

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 because it would help I did exactly

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that cut the vouchers off and ruined the

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calendar the husband came home and said

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what's the go here well this is what

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this is what we need to do in this case

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so really my question is for those

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people that won't be able to access a

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digital platform to use those

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vouchers in that manner we really need

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to Simply look at the format of that

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printed item because it's actually a

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really useful tool I think people

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absolutely love the vouchers but they

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absolutely love the calendar and I just

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think that they're could be a way that

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we might be able to design it better

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simply thank you councelor McIntosh the

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next question in follows a series of

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questions that we have this evening in

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relation to the Prince of Wales master

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plan  first one is from n Hing and I

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apologize to NE if that's not the cor

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correct

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pronunciation isn't he here no no

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no no just ni i h a i f n

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g who is a a resident so is not as

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indicated they are not attending so will

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be read out by the governance officer

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thank you Mr

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Montgomery thank you and through you Mr

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Mayor the question is as follows for the

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Prince of Wales Park master plan due to

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the short distance of the two new hockey

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fields to sester Avenue residents please

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provide noise and Light assessments

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impact reports in this

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plan director

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Wilson through you Mr Mayor and thank

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you for that question  if I may  Mr

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Mayor just to take a moment given as

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you referenced there's a number of

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residence in the chamber tonight and

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other questions that have been submitted

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in relation to the Prince of Wales draft

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master plan there's a number of matters

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and themes that are consistent across

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those questions and if I take a moment

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to provide an overall summary as an

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initial response that might help with

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providing some context to Residents who

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who will ask further questions tonight

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as Council knows and as residents

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know the draft master plan has been put

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out on public exhibition and we've

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invited responses from community in

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relation to that

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draft some of the common themes that

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have come through recent feedback in the

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questions presented tonight relate to

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the consultation proc

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with residents  directly itself

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themselves the potential for noise

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pollution or noise spillage from the

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location of the playing fields or the

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proposed locations of the playing fields

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 in addition to that potential for

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light spillage from the pardon me the

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sports lighting of those

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fields the loss of green space in the

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reserve and a question or questions

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relating into potential consideration

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for alternate sites for  the different

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elements that are proposed within the

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master plan

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itself so if I may I'll just take you

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through  an overall summary of those

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matters where consultation is concerned

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 the initial consultation to develop

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the draft master plan occurred with

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existing Reserve user groups the sports

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clubs  the Aquatic Center and also the

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state based Sports associations relevant

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to each of the existing user groups

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within the reserve the further

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consultation with surrounding residents

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commenced through the placement of the

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draft master plan on public exhibition

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which is the period that we're currently

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in all feedback will be assessed and

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considered prior to officers making

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final recommendations to council as a

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consequence of that public exhibition

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period

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 furthermore  we're scheduling a

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meeting for Tuesday next week which will

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be invited to attend  to have direct

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face-to-face engagement with officers in

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relation to any concerns that are raised

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where further information can be

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explored directly with you 

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detailed explanation around steps that

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are taken to mitigate these types of

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concerns in relation to these projects

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can be explained in detail  but of

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course any feedback as I said will be

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taken into full consideration prior to

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final recommendations being made to

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council  you'll receive those

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invitations in letter box to Residents

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directly surrounding the reserve

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tomorrow and the day

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after relating to noise concerns around

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noise and lighting the EPA

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regulations and the Australian standards

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for sports lighting  and the bat

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planning scheme have been considered in

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the design of the draft master plan and

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the proposed locations for the new

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Fields within the

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reserve the proposed landscape buffer of

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30 M plus

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planting is aimed to mitigate noise and

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lighting impacts  and there is some

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scope to make a small increase on that

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buffer buffer zone distance if

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required the 30 m buffer zone has proven

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to Be an Effective provision in

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multiple other reserves across the city

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where we have sports Lighting in

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place and the Australian standard for

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sports lighting has proven to be

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effective in controlling the issues of

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light spill and I and at the  meeting

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on next Tuesday we'll be able to present

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or table a number of aerial photos that

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demonstrate the contemporary

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standards of lighting and how they apply

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to sports fields and demonstrate what

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those standards of lighting result in in

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relation to the concern with light

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spillage where Green Space is concerned

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 the green space in the reserve

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through the master plan  we believe

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will actually be enhanced the area where

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archery currently use the reserve albe

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it is grass open space it's in a it's an

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unirrigated area of grass open space so

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it's obviously subject to dry spells and

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the like by formalizing that area in a

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proposed future baseball diamond which

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will be grassed and irrigated we believe

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that that will enhance the the grass

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outdoor open space in the

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reserve assessment of access to local

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and nearby green spaces also shows close

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prox Pro imity to Lake Wendy South

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Gardens and the B Botanical Gardens and

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the master plan retains the pathways

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through the Prince of Wales Reserve

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linking  residential areas to these

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parks and Gardens

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nearby in relation to alternate sites 

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alternate sites were examined but

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primarily consideration is given to the

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best operating models for both hockey

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and baseball in particular as Sports

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currently in the

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reserve  this is to keep the

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respective Playing Fields grouped

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together in the reserve and to utilize

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the existing sporting assets  During

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the period of the roll out for the plan

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over time and it's considered that

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that's the most appropriate use of

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council resources to achieve the

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provision the provision of these

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amenities to people utilizing these

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sporting assets  for their

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participation in hockey and and

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baseball Additionally the provision of

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an enclosed purpose-built archery range

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in a lesser used open space location 

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officers believe that's the right way to

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support a sport which effectively

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uses I suppose shoots projectiles in in

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an open space

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field so overall the summary comment

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Mr May is that the draft master plan

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gives consideration to potential issues

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and concerns but we are very mindful of

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the submissions coming  through public

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questions from residents tonight we're

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very keen to meet in person  next week

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and to talk through and work through

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issues that may be raised both through

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questions tonight and potentially in

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person next week so thank you Mr Mayor

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thank you director Wilson There is a

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second question from the res which I'll

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ask Mr Montgomery to please read

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thank you and through you Mr Mayor the

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question is as follows any reasons why

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don't place the two new hockey Fields

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far away from the resident houses and

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place them on the other side of Prince

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of Wales Park and director Wilson

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through you Mr Mayor and thank you for

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the second question  the the location

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on the southern boundary of the Prince

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of Wales Park was assessed as not being

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viable to put the second and and

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third synthetic hockey pitches in place

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 functional relationships for the

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sport by collocating the fields near

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each other inclusive of proximity to

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the existing the existing hockey

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pitch in the reserve was a strong

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consideration and in addition other

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reserve requirements nearby I.E the

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wetlands being in that southwest corner

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for water retention purposes

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needing to ensure that the trails link

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to residential areas and other

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surrounding open space areas in

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particular to the gardens referenced in

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my previous response were important

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and existing infrastructure including

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the main baseball diamond and the car

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parking on the southern portion of the

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site were part of that consideration so

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the assessment overall is that that

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southern boundary was not the

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appropriate site for the

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proposed  proposed new two hockey

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pitchers thank you Mr Mayor thank you

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director Wilson the next questions is

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from from was Jennifer Johnson who is

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not attending and they will be read out

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by the governance officer Mr

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Montgomery thank you and through you Mr

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Mayor the question is as

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follows the residents of Lake Gardens

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were not consulted about having two

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hockey pitches located so close to

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housing less than 30 m away is the

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council not aware of the fact that the

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hockey users of the park are the most

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loudest of all user groups with horns

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screaming and night lighting and by

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having two new additional Fields as well

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as Club rooms will dramatically increase

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the level of noise and light pollution

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which will have a detrimental impact on

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Lake Gardens residence easily for at

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least 50 to 100 meters into the

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residential area thank you Miss Johnson

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for that question director Wilson 

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thank you Mr Mayor and thank you for

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that question  M Johnson as as I

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mentioned in my earlier statement Mr May

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the buffer zone of 30 meters with the

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landscape planting is designed to

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address noise and lighting concern so

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consider

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 that question to be responded to

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thank you director Wilson and there is a

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second question from the resident thank

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you Mr

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Montgomery the car park located outside

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the Aquatic Center has become a

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problematic area for hon drivers and

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antisocial Behavior which has been

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reported to the police on numerous

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occasions so why is there no mention of

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any additional security measures in the

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master plan in relation to expanding the

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car park which is likely to increase the

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amount of hon Behavior thank you for the

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question director Wilson  three Mr

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Marin thank you for that question that

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second question Miss Johnson H  in

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car parking is a matter for Victoria

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Police and more than happy to raise that

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with local members as a result of

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this question being raised thank you Mr

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Mayor thank you director Wilson the next

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question is from Mr John Maguire who is

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not attending which will also be read

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out by the governance officer thank you

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and three Mr Mayor the question is as

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follows given the council's opening

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decaration in the council meeting to

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carry out their duties in the best

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interest of the community how could they

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justify the decision to negatively

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impact the amenity of residents of St

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Chester Avenue Lake Gardens were

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proposing to locate two new hockey

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Fields immediately  adjacent to many

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residents homes especially when there

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are alternative Less impactful locations

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available director Wilson to you Mr

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Mayor and thank you for that question as

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as mentioned or stated earlier we did

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consider alternate sites in in

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different locations both within that

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reserve and across the city and it's

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identified that the benefit of

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delivering the proposed infrastructure

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within the Prince of Wales Park is the

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 considered recommendation of officers

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being presented to council  and

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contained within the draft Master Plan

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before community on exhibition thank you

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thank you director Wilson the next

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question from Mr lorri prer who I

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believe is attending with us this

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evening is Lori

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there okay we're happy to read his his

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questions there so we'll take that he's

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not attending so Mr Montgomery if you

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could read the question please thank you

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and three Mr Mayor the question is as

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follows Prince of Wales Park is a Green

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Park used currently for both passive and

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active Recreation why urbanized the park

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destroy its character with hockey

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infrastructure that greatly impacts

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local

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residents and the second  sorry

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director Wilson through you Mr Mayor

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thank you for that question Mr prer 

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as mentioned the it's the view of

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offices that the draft master plan

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enhances the Green Space  through the

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formalization of the area where proposed

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new baseball diamond will be constructed

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in the area where archery currently

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currently holds their their sport  in

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addition there'll be further planting

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within the reserve so more trees  more

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treatment around the pathways and

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formalization of the reserve in

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different areas throughout  so and

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then beyond that as previously mentioned

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the proximity to  some of the best

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parks and Gardens in the municipality

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are very close nearby  so is the view

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of officers that there's

00:26:15.559 --> 00:26:18.519
sound provision in the immediate

00:26:18.599 --> 00:26:20.960
Precinct of green space for residents

00:26:21.039 --> 00:26:22.960
thank you thank you director Wilson and

00:26:23.039 --> 00:26:26.119
the second question from Mr

00:26:26.200 --> 00:26:30.039
prer why was the Victoria p 131 hectares

00:26:30.119 --> 00:26:31.759
not chosen for the future growth of

00:26:31.839 --> 00:26:33.880
regional hockey in balarat compared with

00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:36.519
social environmental aesthetic and space

00:26:36.599 --> 00:26:39.599
limitations in Prince of wals Park 19.7

00:26:39.680 --> 00:26:41.440
hectares the current draft clearly lacks

00:26:41.519 --> 00:26:44.279
vision for the future director Wilson

00:26:44.359 --> 00:26:45.759
through you Mr Mayor and thank you for

00:26:45.839 --> 00:26:48.599
that second question Mr prer the the

00:26:48.680 --> 00:26:50.759
council adopted Victoria Park master

00:26:50.839 --> 00:26:53.559
plan doesn't make provision for

00:26:53.640 --> 00:26:56.279
consideration of a synthetic field

00:26:56.359 --> 00:27:00.519
hockey facility within that Park  so

00:27:00.599 --> 00:27:03.000
it is assessed as being an inappropriate

00:27:03.079 --> 00:27:06.119
location for this Sports Precinct thank

00:27:06.200 --> 00:27:08.400
you Mr thank you director Wilson the

00:27:08.480 --> 00:27:11.440
next question from Mr Dana

00:27:11.519 --> 00:27:13.799
hoffin who I believe is attending with

00:27:13.880 --> 00:27:15.279
us please come

00:27:15.359 --> 00:27:17.319
forward and hopefully I got the

00:27:17.400 --> 00:27:20.119
pronunciation right please take a seat

00:27:20.200 --> 00:27:22.279
at the at the desk there and your

00:27:22.359 --> 00:27:25.160
microphone is on thank you thank you

00:27:25.240 --> 00:27:26.680
very much and and thank you for

00:27:26.759 --> 00:27:28.279
responding to many of those questions

00:27:28.359 --> 00:27:31.039
but specifically in the Prince of Wales

00:27:31.119 --> 00:27:32.839
proposal presented in June can you tell

00:27:32.920 --> 00:27:35.759
me exactly what studies or work has been

00:27:35.839 --> 00:27:37.480
done confirm that the two new hockey

00:27:37.559 --> 00:27:39.799
Fields will comply with the Victorian

00:27:39.880 --> 00:27:43.599
EPA 12 54.2 noise control which states

00:27:43.680 --> 00:27:46.119
DB levels and also the Victorian

00:27:46.200 --> 00:27:47.880
unreasonable noise guidelines for

00:27:47.960 --> 00:27:50.759
outside sporting venues and events as

00:27:50.839 --> 00:27:53.039
these two fields are proposed

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literally from 15 M  I'm currently 15

00:27:57.519 --> 00:28:00.000
M from the fence so I am actually the

00:28:00.079 --> 00:28:01.519
closest and my neighbor are the closest

00:28:01.599 --> 00:28:04.240
to it  because as they said we have

00:28:04.319 --> 00:28:06.279
sirens and a lot of player noise and we

00:28:06.359 --> 00:28:07.960
expect this to be unreasonable compared

00:28:08.039 --> 00:28:09.720
to the baseball diamonds in the other

00:28:09.799 --> 00:28:12.200
games thank you very much director

00:28:12.279 --> 00:28:15.119
Wilson I you Mr Mayor thank you for that

00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:18.680
question Mr Hoffs the the buffer zone of

00:28:18.759 --> 00:28:21.400
30 m has proved to be effective in other

00:28:21.480 --> 00:28:24.559
sports reserves across the municipality

00:28:24.640 --> 00:28:27.599
and we have no reason to expect that

00:28:27.680 --> 00:28:29.920
it would be any different in this

00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:33.039
location so no Studies have been done to

00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:36.759
in this proposal just okay sorry Mr Hoff

00:28:36.839 --> 00:28:39.440
please let the director finish provide

00:28:39.519 --> 00:28:44.319
the response Mr May thank you  so so

00:28:44.400 --> 00:28:46.279
the current practice has proved

00:28:46.359 --> 00:28:49.480
effective if there are if there's a

00:28:49.559 --> 00:28:52.200
detailed study that you refer to that

00:28:52.279 --> 00:28:53.759
needs to be taken into consideration

00:28:53.839 --> 00:28:56.799
we're happy to receive that from you

00:28:56.880 --> 00:28:58.960
and assess that according

00:28:59.039 --> 00:29:02.400
inly but as I stated  it is the view

00:29:02.480 --> 00:29:04.240
of officers that our current practice

00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:05.240
has been

00:29:05.319 --> 00:29:07.279
effective thank you director will so Mr

00:29:07.359 --> 00:29:11.880
huon's your second question  yes in

00:29:11.960 --> 00:29:13.640
the propo in the Prince of Wales

00:29:13.720 --> 00:29:16.200
proposal presented in June was the

00:29:16.279 --> 00:29:17.799
Southside near the ballor at high

00:29:17.880 --> 00:29:19.480
considered as a possible location as it

00:29:19.559 --> 00:29:21.759
has no residence so noise impact would

00:29:21.839 --> 00:29:25.400
be minim if it was why was it

00:29:25.480 --> 00:29:27.680
rejected director Wilson yeah through

00:29:27.759 --> 00:29:29.680
you Mr thank you for that question I I I

00:29:29.759 --> 00:29:31.680
think I've responded to that  in the

00:29:31.759 --> 00:29:34.519
previous question we did look at how to

00:29:34.599 --> 00:29:37.200
best position the proposed Fields across

00:29:37.279 --> 00:29:41.119
the reserve and what was the the most

00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:44.359
appropriate proposition U before

00:29:44.440 --> 00:29:46.759
finalizing the draft and the southide

00:29:46.839 --> 00:29:50.039
involves significant Wetland

00:29:50.119 --> 00:29:52.039
positioning and so forth so to get

00:29:52.119 --> 00:29:56.079
two two new hockey fields in place 

00:29:56.160 --> 00:29:58.839
that Southside was a assessed as being

00:29:58.920 --> 00:30:01.799
less optimal than the current proposed

00:30:01.880 --> 00:30:03.839
location thank you thank you director

00:30:03.920 --> 00:30:06.559
Wilson thank you Mr Hoff for those

00:30:06.640 --> 00:30:10.920
questions the next question is from Mr

00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:13.240
Christopher Juro and I hope I got that

00:30:13.319 --> 00:30:15.279
can I ask a followup question correct

00:30:15.359 --> 00:30:17.559
and Mr J oh sorry Council Maloney sorry

00:30:17.640 --> 00:30:19.279
my apologies thanks Mr M just before

00:30:19.359 --> 00:30:20.440
next president joins up just a follow

00:30:20.519 --> 00:30:23.119
one question from Mr hoffin  questions

00:30:23.200 --> 00:30:25.720
so I guess some the questions that the

00:30:25.799 --> 00:30:28.960
the last resent Mr h asked was was

00:30:29.039 --> 00:30:30.599
really around whether we would be

00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:33.119
constructing anything inconsistent with

00:30:33.200 --> 00:30:36.440
EPA and other guidelines and I just

00:30:36.519 --> 00:30:38.240
through Mr Mayor would like to ask the

00:30:38.319 --> 00:30:41.079
director  while there might not have

00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:43.039
been any studies done necessarily to

00:30:43.119 --> 00:30:45.680
inform that I would certainly hope that

00:30:45.759 --> 00:30:48.079
nothing that we design is inconsistent

00:30:48.160 --> 00:30:50.519
with Australian standards so would any

00:30:50.599 --> 00:30:53.799
of those designs  you would the

00:30:53.880 --> 00:30:55.400
Assurance be given that the design work

00:30:55.480 --> 00:30:56.799
you know incorporates obviously all

00:30:56.880 --> 00:30:58.720
those required standards lighting and

00:30:58.799 --> 00:31:01.119
noise thank you Council Maloney director

00:31:01.200 --> 00:31:03.599
Wilson Mr Mayor thank you for that 

00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:05.720
clarifying question Council Maloney yes

00:31:05.799 --> 00:31:09.240
I can assure Council and residents that

00:31:09.319 --> 00:31:12.200
 the projects would be constructed in

00:31:12.279 --> 00:31:15.000
accordance with EPA and sports lighting

00:31:15.079 --> 00:31:17.599
and other relevant regulations 

00:31:17.680 --> 00:31:20.079
including the ballat planning scheme 

00:31:20.160 --> 00:31:23.160
my response to Mr hofs was  directly

00:31:23.240 --> 00:31:24.880
in relation to a study that you

00:31:24.960 --> 00:31:28.680
referenced not not the

00:31:28.759 --> 00:31:30.319
required regulations that you refer to

00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:32.359
in your question Council Maloney thank

00:31:32.440 --> 00:31:34.480
you thank you very much followup Council

00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:36.680
Maloney sorry counc H isn't he trying to

00:31:36.759 --> 00:31:39.359
jump in as well  yeah thank you  Mr

00:31:39.440 --> 00:31:43.599
Mr may I appreciate that officers are 

00:31:43.680 --> 00:31:45.119
looking to undertake some Community

00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:48.640
consultation on Tuesday night what I am

00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:51.480
a bit nervous about is that it seems as

00:31:51.559 --> 00:31:53.599
though plan seem a bit too locked in for

00:31:53.680 --> 00:31:56.440
a draft plan I I'm hoping that

00:31:56.519 --> 00:31:58.400
consultation genuine

00:31:58.480 --> 00:32:01.640
and there's opportunity to you

00:32:01.720 --> 00:32:03.599
know consider a range of different

00:32:03.680 --> 00:32:06.200
different options so I guess my

00:32:06.279 --> 00:32:08.480
question then in that case is  you

00:32:08.559 --> 00:32:10.920
know how how much flexibility Still

00:32:11.000 --> 00:32:13.599
Remains in the plan or or will this

00:32:13.680 --> 00:32:15.160
off ultimately be the final version that

00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:17.400
officers are presenting because I

00:32:17.480 --> 00:32:18.920
guess it's useful for residents to know

00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:21.240
that I'm heading into a consultation on

00:32:21.319 --> 00:32:24.160
Tuesday night as to how final or

00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:27.400
otherwise our views are on that so sorry

00:32:27.480 --> 00:32:29.240
for that long wouldn't to question but

00:32:29.319 --> 00:32:31.160
how much room to move is is there in

00:32:31.240 --> 00:32:33.400
this plan thank you Council M and

00:32:33.480 --> 00:32:35.640
certainly ultimately the acceptance of

00:32:35.720 --> 00:32:37.680
the master plan comes down to a decision

00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:39.920
of council that will sign off and

00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:43.240
contest the bonafides of of the plan

00:32:43.319 --> 00:32:45.480
location of where hockey fields are but

00:32:45.559 --> 00:32:46.880
director

00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:49.200
Wilson three Mr Mayor thank you Council

00:32:49.279 --> 00:32:51.640
Mooney for the question  yeah the the

00:32:51.720 --> 00:32:54.599
the meeting with residents will

00:32:54.680 --> 00:32:57.400
certainly be genuine  as I mentioned

00:32:57.480 --> 00:32:59.960
in my my earlier comments there's there

00:33:00.039 --> 00:33:03.599
is some small scope within the existing

00:33:03.680 --> 00:33:07.079
proposed master plan to further extend

00:33:07.160 --> 00:33:08.759
some buffers and make some minor

00:33:08.839 --> 00:33:12.599
adjustments if required  major change

00:33:12.680 --> 00:33:15.279
certainly is a a greater challenge

00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:18.559
there's no no doubt about that but

00:33:18.640 --> 00:33:21.240
we're very interested in understanding

00:33:21.319 --> 00:33:24.000
 where the primary concerns of

00:33:24.079 --> 00:33:26.319
residents are we it would be the hope of

00:33:26.400 --> 00:33:28.599
officers in meeting with residents that

00:33:28.680 --> 00:33:30.960
would be able to address those concerns

00:33:31.039 --> 00:33:32.920
and outline more detailed information

00:33:33.000 --> 00:33:35.559
that would hopefully mitigate those

00:33:35.640 --> 00:33:37.759
concerns thank you director Wilson

00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:40.160
councilor hug Graves thank you and

00:33:40.240 --> 00:33:42.039
through you Mr Mayor I guess just a a

00:33:42.119 --> 00:33:44.759
quick comment and a question I think

00:33:44.839 --> 00:33:46.160
this does really highlight the

00:33:46.240 --> 00:33:48.240
importance for consultation and when in

00:33:48.319 --> 00:33:50.839
the process it happens I I think

00:33:50.920 --> 00:33:54.279
residents would probably yeah would

00:33:54.359 --> 00:33:56.400
feel a little bit let down that this

00:33:56.480 --> 00:33:58.880
sort of feedback wasn't owed or wasn't

00:33:58.960 --> 00:34:01.240
invited wasn't prioritized in the

00:34:01.319 --> 00:34:03.039
process much earlier and we do sort of

00:34:03.119 --> 00:34:04.480
find ourselves now with a pretty well

00:34:04.559 --> 00:34:09.159
formed plan not which is not adopted

00:34:09.239 --> 00:34:11.679
and that's that's the the key issue

00:34:11.760 --> 00:34:14.480
about that but my question I suppose

00:34:14.559 --> 00:34:18.440
is probably through you to director

00:34:18.519 --> 00:34:20.880
Wilson as well are there examples is

00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:23.519
this something that we do have I know

00:34:23.599 --> 00:34:25.239
this is a unique project and it's

00:34:25.320 --> 00:34:27.880
massive but are there other examples

00:34:27.960 --> 00:34:30.840
around bat of sporting fields that

00:34:30.920 --> 00:34:33.559
are located pretty close to people's

00:34:33.639 --> 00:34:37.360
back fences and I just I I suppose

00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:39.320
one more thing is you know I I know that

00:34:39.400 --> 00:34:42.679
the consultation will be genuine on

00:34:42.760 --> 00:34:44.400
Tuesday night but it's it's sort of one

00:34:44.480 --> 00:34:45.960
thing just to get an answer back and

00:34:46.039 --> 00:34:47.880
that's a different thing from being

00:34:47.960 --> 00:34:50.079
involved in the process with your

00:34:50.159 --> 00:34:52.840
opinions and questions I'll leave it

00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:54.519
there but yeah is there other examples

00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:56.159
like that please thank you councelor

00:34:56.239 --> 00:34:58.440
Hargraves director Wilson through you Mr

00:34:58.519 --> 00:35:00.039
Mayor thank you Council Harr for that

00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:02.840
question there are a many number of

00:35:02.920 --> 00:35:05.639
reserves across the municipality where

00:35:05.719 --> 00:35:08.320
the the buffer zone or the edge of

00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:10.679
playing fields to property boundaries is

00:35:10.760 --> 00:35:13.559
30 m or

00:35:13.639 --> 00:35:15.840
less I'll have to take it on notice

00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:18.960
which one specifically but but  having

00:35:19.039 --> 00:35:20.719
reviewed this afternoon there are

00:35:20.800 --> 00:35:24.000
multiple and many thank you director

00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:27.159
Wilson Mr Juro please come forward with

00:35:27.239 --> 00:35:28.079
your

00:35:28.159 --> 00:35:30.719
questions

00:35:31.079 --> 00:35:33.079
please thank you Mr Mayor for the

00:35:33.159 --> 00:35:34.800
opportunity and counselors for listening

00:35:34.880 --> 00:35:39.920
to us clearly as you can see  the coun

00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:42.679
the residents  consider that the

00:35:42.760 --> 00:35:46.239
proposed plan will create considerable

00:35:46.320 --> 00:35:51.000
disruption and we take note of the 

00:35:51.079 --> 00:35:53.079
responses of councilors already that

00:35:53.159 --> 00:35:56.119
perhaps  this

00:35:56.199 --> 00:35:58.719
 prop proposed plan

00:35:58.800 --> 00:36:03.239
is far too far along the process but

00:36:03.320 --> 00:36:06.480
the issue is the disruption is to do

00:36:06.559 --> 00:36:09.960
with the hockey field not just any field

00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:11.800
the hockey field being the most

00:36:11.880 --> 00:36:15.519
disruptive of all terms of noise and

00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:18.519
the question I ask is are are

00:36:18.599 --> 00:36:21.119
councilors aware

00:36:21.199 --> 00:36:24.039
of this disruption clearly they are

00:36:24.119 --> 00:36:27.039
now and are Council has been given

00:36:27.119 --> 00:36:28.320
the opportunity

00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:30.079
to consider

00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:34.320
alternatives thank you Mr J director

00:36:34.400 --> 00:36:36.519
wison Mr Mayor and thank you for your

00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:38.039
question Mr

00:36:38.119 --> 00:36:40.039
jro 

00:36:40.119 --> 00:36:43.480
councils as Mr Mayor referenced will

00:36:43.559 --> 00:36:46.400
be presented with a final recommendation

00:36:46.480 --> 00:36:49.239
by officers  at the next council

00:36:49.320 --> 00:36:52.159
meeting  for their consideration and

00:36:52.239 --> 00:36:54.480
recommendation from officers around

00:36:54.559 --> 00:36:56.440
adopting what is then presented what we

00:36:56.519 --> 00:36:58.800
will then present will be cognizant of

00:36:58.880 --> 00:37:01.920
the feedback  that has been provided

00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:04.559
to date through the consultation process

00:37:04.639 --> 00:37:08.480
through myay and the submissions or

00:37:08.559 --> 00:37:11.239
questions or the themes that have been

00:37:11.320 --> 00:37:12.519
identified through the questions that

00:37:12.599 --> 00:37:14.920
have been posed by  yourself and other

00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:16.840
residents

00:37:16.920 --> 00:37:19.400
tonight does that answer your question

00:37:19.480 --> 00:37:22.199
sir

00:37:22.280 --> 00:37:25.719
yes Mr clearly the responsibility of the

00:37:25.800 --> 00:37:28.639
decision making rest with counil laws we

00:37:28.719 --> 00:37:31.119
have to feel comfortable that it weighs

00:37:31.199 --> 00:37:35.440
up all of the consideration of all

00:37:35.519 --> 00:37:38.079
state it's not a matter of it has to be

00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:39.840
endorsed by the next meeting the one

00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:42.400
after that or the one after that so

00:37:42.480 --> 00:37:45.079
there's no rush about making sure we get

00:37:45.159 --> 00:37:47.159
the order and all of the information

00:37:47.239 --> 00:37:49.519
correct in terms of being able to weigh

00:37:49.599 --> 00:37:51.320
that up Council

00:37:51.400 --> 00:37:53.559
Maloney  yeah yeah thanks well said Mr

00:37:53.639 --> 00:37:55.079
Mayor and I guess following on from your

00:37:55.159 --> 00:37:56.719
comments just said Mr Mayor my my

00:37:56.800 --> 00:37:58.239
question really is

00:37:58.320 --> 00:38:02.679
as as  sorry Mr Mr J my apologies

00:38:02.760 --> 00:38:05.480
Mr R has asked will there be options

00:38:05.559 --> 00:38:08.039
presented to counsil counselors so I

00:38:08.119 --> 00:38:09.480
understand it's a job of officers to

00:38:09.559 --> 00:38:11.280
present a recommendation to us a

00:38:11.360 --> 00:38:13.440
preferred approach and that preferred

00:38:13.519 --> 00:38:15.400
approach would usually be brought about

00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:17.559
by understanding the cost and the

00:38:17.639 --> 00:38:21.119
broader implications but  but

00:38:21.199 --> 00:38:23.000
sometimes you can find other options

00:38:23.079 --> 00:38:26.239
which might not be the best price or but

00:38:26.320 --> 00:38:28.280
they actually have a a longer term

00:38:28.360 --> 00:38:31.119
benefit  for residents so if there are

00:38:31.199 --> 00:38:34.440
options presented that  may help

00:38:34.519 --> 00:38:37.159
councilors have a more informed decision

00:38:37.239 --> 00:38:39.280
come the time for adoption so will there

00:38:39.360 --> 00:38:40.679
be options or will there just be a

00:38:40.760 --> 00:38:43.599
single recommendation and I that again

00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:45.599
directed by councilors if counil are

00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:48.480
asking for yeah thanks sorry if

00:38:48.559 --> 00:38:51.320
councilors are asking for some options

00:38:51.400 --> 00:38:52.400
then that needs to be part of the

00:38:52.480 --> 00:38:54.519
officer report that is presented back to

00:38:54.599 --> 00:38:56.679
us not only just for the council meeting

00:38:56.760 --> 00:38:58.119
but through assembly

00:38:58.199 --> 00:38:59.960
as well to be able to demonstrate here

00:39:00.039 --> 00:39:01.760
is the thinking here's what's been

00:39:01.840 --> 00:39:04.000
considered councelor

00:39:04.079 --> 00:39:07.719
Harris oh sorry

00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:09.960
sorry sorry Mr may I was posing it as a

00:39:10.039 --> 00:39:11.280
question yeah will there be actually OPP

00:39:11.360 --> 00:39:13.159
options presented to us or is it just a

00:39:13.239 --> 00:39:17.440
single recommendation that's i' likeor

00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:19.519
Wilson through Mr Mayor thank you

00:39:19.599 --> 00:39:22.840
Council baloney for your question  I'm

00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:24.559
happy to be directed by Council in

00:39:24.639 --> 00:39:28.360
relation to to that matter as it stands

00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:32.280
the work  of officers has been

00:39:32.360 --> 00:39:34.559
undertaken in a comprehensive and

00:39:34.639 --> 00:39:37.239
considered Manner and when bringing that

00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:39.960
back to council if it is the direction

00:39:40.039 --> 00:39:43.039
of council to undertake a further

00:39:43.119 --> 00:39:45.480
examination more than happy to take that

00:39:45.559 --> 00:39:48.280
direction from Council at the time thank

00:39:48.360 --> 00:39:50.639
you director

00:39:50.719 --> 00:39:53.880
Wilson Council

00:39:53.960 --> 00:39:56.719
Maloney perhaps a governance question in

00:39:56.800 --> 00:39:58.719
that case three Mr May to governance

00:39:58.800 --> 00:40:01.119
team is it something perhaps later in

00:40:01.199 --> 00:40:03.599
the night in the Council reports we

00:40:03.679 --> 00:40:06.400
can foreshadow a a motion of some

00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:09.000
sort at that point or no know notice a

00:40:09.079 --> 00:40:12.079
motion isn't it  look I guess

00:40:12.159 --> 00:40:14.000
ultimately what I'm I'm seeking really

00:40:14.079 --> 00:40:17.119
is in the very least a a briefing to

00:40:17.199 --> 00:40:21.239
counselors that talks about

00:40:21.320 --> 00:40:23.599
options I understand we have an

00:40:23.679 --> 00:40:25.039
existing motion that's been approved on

00:40:25.119 --> 00:40:27.679
the table to put it out to consultation

00:40:27.760 --> 00:40:31.159
and you know I I hope in good faith

00:40:31.239 --> 00:40:33.280
that the conversation's quite Broad and

00:40:33.360 --> 00:40:35.639
and open and listening on Tuesday night

00:40:35.719 --> 00:40:37.480
I don't doubt Mr director Wilson and his

00:40:37.559 --> 00:40:39.159
team do that all the time and I

00:40:39.239 --> 00:40:42.840
appreciate that but it would be nice

00:40:42.920 --> 00:40:44.880
to to to understand options and perhaps

00:40:44.960 --> 00:40:46.760
a briefing is all we can get at this

00:40:46.840 --> 00:40:50.559
stage in the game Mr CEO  through you

00:40:50.639 --> 00:40:52.400
Mr Mayor and thank you councelor Maloney

00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:54.360
for that question as we would always do

00:40:54.440 --> 00:40:57.960
with any  strategy that Council adopts

00:40:58.039 --> 00:41:02.039
you know goes out for goes out for

00:41:02.119 --> 00:41:03.840
submissions to the community we will

00:41:03.920 --> 00:41:05.840
bring those submissions back to council

00:41:05.920 --> 00:41:08.559
we will talk about those submissions

00:41:08.639 --> 00:41:11.039
consider whether there's enough Merit to

00:41:11.119 --> 00:41:13.719
want to make any changes to the strategy

00:41:13.800 --> 00:41:15.039
can certainly have the conversation at

00:41:15.119 --> 00:41:17.000
that point around what are some of the

00:41:17.079 --> 00:41:18.320
options what are the options that have

00:41:18.400 --> 00:41:20.000
been considered in the pros and cons of

00:41:20.079 --> 00:41:21.480
those options so we'll certainly bring

00:41:21.559 --> 00:41:23.440
that to a briefing session to have a

00:41:23.519 --> 00:41:24.880
have a conversation as we would always

00:41:24.960 --> 00:41:26.800
do with any strategy that we have out

00:41:26.880 --> 00:41:28.360
for public

00:41:28.440 --> 00:41:31.360
consultation thank you Mr CEO Council

00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:35.480
Harris thank you Mr Mayor same Mr D

00:41:35.559 --> 00:41:39.599
that the  to be just to be crystal

00:41:39.679 --> 00:41:41.119
clear about when it comes back your

00:41:41.199 --> 00:41:43.800
councilors can decide what they want to

00:41:43.880 --> 00:41:47.360
do now the plainly in my reading of it

00:41:47.440 --> 00:41:49.199
we haven't had enough input from

00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:52.199
residents I I think when we're doing the

00:41:52.280 --> 00:41:55.159
the draft consultation I know just this

00:41:55.239 --> 00:41:58.280
becomes sort of bureaucratic but when

00:41:58.360 --> 00:41:59.519
we're going through those process I

00:41:59.599 --> 00:42:00.840
think every counselor here was worried

00:42:00.920 --> 00:42:03.199
about every conceivable Sports input to

00:42:03.280 --> 00:42:05.440
it I think we we were asking questions

00:42:05.519 --> 00:42:06.880
even that thing about what the interface

00:42:06.960 --> 00:42:08.360
issues were going to be with for the

00:42:08.440 --> 00:42:12.599
residents and we we didn't do that

00:42:12.679 --> 00:42:14.280
Justice I mean that's what we're hearing

00:42:14.360 --> 00:42:17.800
tonight so we've still got we got

00:42:17.880 --> 00:42:20.239
when it comes back as draft we don't

00:42:20.320 --> 00:42:22.519
need we don't need to have any special

00:42:22.599 --> 00:42:25.000
change to it but we get we will every

00:42:25.079 --> 00:42:27.280
councilor here will have to be satisfied

00:42:27.360 --> 00:42:29.199
that the consultations with residents

00:42:29.280 --> 00:42:31.760
has occurred  we've got all that input

00:42:31.840 --> 00:42:33.360
and then we can readjust what we think

00:42:33.440 --> 00:42:36.679
about it so it it hasn't been ideal I I

00:42:36.760 --> 00:42:39.000
I was disappointed with the process

00:42:39.079 --> 00:42:41.760
as much as anybody else but just as

00:42:41.840 --> 00:42:43.840
culpable I I've sat through those

00:42:43.920 --> 00:42:45.639
meetings thinking about these interface

00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:48.159
issues and I didn't think to say before

00:42:48.239 --> 00:42:50.079
the draft you know what's the resident

00:42:50.159 --> 00:42:52.440
consultation process being so that's

00:42:52.519 --> 00:42:54.360
that's on me as much as anybody else

00:42:54.440 --> 00:42:56.000
every anyone here but it's not

00:42:56.079 --> 00:42:58.400
irredeemable as CEO says I mean when

00:42:58.480 --> 00:43:00.840
when we get all this back we will have

00:43:00.920 --> 00:43:04.039
another it will come back to a

00:43:04.119 --> 00:43:07.440
briefing before it comes to council

00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:09.840
fully and every counselor here will

00:43:09.920 --> 00:43:12.239
be taking that on board so I look I

00:43:12.320 --> 00:43:14.159
really do think residents for for doing

00:43:14.239 --> 00:43:17.000
it it has been suboptimal and I

00:43:17.079 --> 00:43:20.679
apologize for that and I we you

00:43:20.760 --> 00:43:23.159
know the many it's like a Tetris thing

00:43:23.239 --> 00:43:25.079
this thing and we've all looked at it a

00:43:25.159 --> 00:43:27.159
thousand times mainly in terms of what

00:43:27.239 --> 00:43:29.880
the utility for those clubs and what but

00:43:29.960 --> 00:43:32.559
you know that there there was a large

00:43:32.639 --> 00:43:35.079
you know part of that puzzle  that

00:43:35.159 --> 00:43:36.719
didn't have a self-evident way of

00:43:36.800 --> 00:43:38.760
getting itself sorted so thank you

00:43:38.840 --> 00:43:40.719
for the for the questions and yes we

00:43:40.800 --> 00:43:42.000
will do

00:43:42.079 --> 00:43:45.280
better thank you councilor Harris Mr jro

00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:48.519
your next question thank you very much

00:43:48.599 --> 00:43:51.719
Mr Mayor and echoing the

00:43:51.800 --> 00:43:55.360
sentiments of  councelor Wilson I was

00:43:55.440 --> 00:43:59.039
thinking that  we could be should be

00:43:59.119 --> 00:44:01.599
or the council is particularly should be

00:44:01.679 --> 00:44:03.920
proposed should be provided with reasons

00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:07.039
for not locating  the proposed  new

00:44:07.119 --> 00:44:09.960
Fields hockey fields in other locations

00:44:10.039 --> 00:44:11.639
particularly the Victoria Park one we've

00:44:11.719 --> 00:44:13.920
heard that they haven't have to consider

00:44:14.000 --> 00:44:15.599
it but what are the reasons and I'd like

00:44:15.679 --> 00:44:18.840
to know are the councilors privy to

00:44:18.920 --> 00:44:20.519
those reasons and have they considered

00:44:20.599 --> 00:44:23.280
them appropriately thank you Mr Joe

00:44:23.360 --> 00:44:26.679
director Wilson

00:44:29.039 --> 00:44:31.599
just if I could clarify your question 

00:44:31.679 --> 00:44:35.599
Mr jro you are you asking has Council

00:44:35.679 --> 00:44:38.119
being presented with alternate

00:44:38.199 --> 00:44:41.360
specific locations or just in general I

00:44:41.440 --> 00:44:44.960
I think well I think my question was

00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:47.480
in relation to Victoria Victorian Park

00:44:47.559 --> 00:44:50.320
option and you said clearly  that

00:44:50.400 --> 00:44:54.199
you've considered and decided not to

00:44:54.280 --> 00:44:56.679
but from my point of view as you as

00:44:56.760 --> 00:44:58.320
as been pointed out this is an early

00:44:58.400 --> 00:45:00.360
stage for us to learn about these things

00:45:00.440 --> 00:45:01.920
and we're just presented whether fat to

00:45:02.000 --> 00:45:04.320
compete or what it looks like  not a

00:45:04.400 --> 00:45:06.960
fat to compete but it looks like it 

00:45:07.039 --> 00:45:08.760
and we want to know what's the

00:45:08.840 --> 00:45:11.039
background what's happening why why are

00:45:11.119 --> 00:45:13.239
other considerations that we consider

00:45:13.320 --> 00:45:16.679
appropriate not not being Pro

00:45:16.760 --> 00:45:21.079
proposed or or being considered Mr

00:45:21.159 --> 00:45:24.000
jro certainly the volume of residents

00:45:24.079 --> 00:45:26.039
that are here tonight talking to council

00:45:26.119 --> 00:45:29.360
about concerns that you have this is not

00:45:29.440 --> 00:45:30.840
about saying we're just hearing those

00:45:30.920 --> 00:45:34.280
tonight we'll do consultation on Tuesday

00:45:34.360 --> 00:45:36.599
and that will take as long as it it

00:45:36.679 --> 00:45:39.119
needs to it is then Council laws that

00:45:39.199 --> 00:45:40.679
will still have courage and can

00:45:40.760 --> 00:45:43.159
ultimately reject it if it does not meet

00:45:43.239 --> 00:45:45.400
the brief of what council is satisfied

00:45:45.480 --> 00:45:48.400
with that is the purview of Council in

00:45:48.480 --> 00:45:51.000
terms of making a decision there may be

00:45:51.079 --> 00:45:53.880
as Council M said there may be an

00:45:53.960 --> 00:45:56.360
officer view the preferred view but

00:45:56.440 --> 00:45:58.000
doesn't mean that necessarily is

00:45:58.079 --> 00:46:00.960
endorsed by the council or group so it's

00:46:01.039 --> 00:46:03.239
certainly not a feda compete at where we

00:46:03.320 --> 00:46:07.159
are this evening or the consultation

00:46:07.239 --> 00:46:09.559
meeting that will take place on Tuesday

00:46:09.639 --> 00:46:12.719
night thank you Mr Mayor and I

00:46:12.800 --> 00:46:14.719
appreciate that a consultation is not an

00:46:14.800 --> 00:46:16.719
information dissemination session thank

00:46:16.800 --> 00:46:20.880
you yes thank thank you very much thank

00:46:21.119 --> 00:46:24.119
you councils can we have our motion

00:46:24.199 --> 00:46:26.039
to extend public Question Time move

00:46:26.119 --> 00:46:28.559
councelor m second to councelor Johnson

00:46:28.639 --> 00:46:31.239
all those in favor counselors motion is

00:46:31.320 --> 00:46:35.159
carried the next question is from Mr

00:46:35.239 --> 00:46:37.440
Ronald Brown who I believe is attending

00:46:37.519 --> 00:46:39.639
with us this evening thank you Mr Brown

00:46:39.719 --> 00:46:42.000
please come

00:46:42.079 --> 00:46:44.719
forward thank you Mr

00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:48.119
Mayor  I'm better get my glasses out

00:46:48.199 --> 00:46:50.679
sorry about

00:46:51.239 --> 00:46:54.159
that I live at s Michael's Place  and

00:46:54.239 --> 00:46:55.719
my property backs on to the Prince of

00:46:55.800 --> 00:46:57.480
Wales Park

00:46:57.559 --> 00:46:59.639
I'm 100 meters away from the current

00:46:59.719 --> 00:47:02.760
hockey field and even at that distance

00:47:02.840 --> 00:47:05.000
I'm impacted by the lights and the

00:47:05.079 --> 00:47:08.599
noise my question to council is will

00:47:08.679 --> 00:47:11.000
they be willing to attend a night match

00:47:11.079 --> 00:47:13.360
unannounced at the current field when

00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:14.840
it's back in

00:47:14.920 --> 00:47:17.519
operation I would like them to ask

00:47:17.599 --> 00:47:20.639
themselves the question whilst there if

00:47:20.719 --> 00:47:23.119
they would be happy to be living within

00:47:23.199 --> 00:47:27.400
25 M of this playing field field and I'm

00:47:27.480 --> 00:47:30.559
sure the answer would be

00:47:30.639 --> 00:47:34.440
no thank you for the question

00:47:34.519 --> 00:47:37.639
director Wilson in relation to

00:47:37.719 --> 00:47:40.239
noise  thank you through Mr Mar thank

00:47:40.320 --> 00:47:43.440
you for the question Mr Brown the as

00:47:43.519 --> 00:47:46.000
previously mentioned  a 30 meter

00:47:46.079 --> 00:47:49.039
buffer zone has been effective across

00:47:49.119 --> 00:47:51.639
multiple other reserves across the city

00:47:51.719 --> 00:47:54.320
 it's in place you know in our

00:47:54.400 --> 00:47:56.320
historical Reserve sites and in our new

00:47:56.400 --> 00:48:01.079
ones too so I I sympathetic to what I

00:48:01.159 --> 00:48:03.679
hear you say tonight but what is

00:48:03.760 --> 00:48:06.360
proposed is consistent with the standard

00:48:06.440 --> 00:48:08.960
that we have in place when we develop 

00:48:09.039 --> 00:48:10.960
formal sporting reserves in other

00:48:11.039 --> 00:48:12.840
locations right across the

00:48:12.920 --> 00:48:15.519
city thank you thank you director Wilson

00:48:15.599 --> 00:48:18.719
and second question I think it's I think

00:48:18.800 --> 00:48:21.400
you've answered actually but I just

00:48:21.480 --> 00:48:23.119
would the councils be willing to tend a

00:48:23.199 --> 00:48:24.880
meeting with a Lake Gardens Community

00:48:24.960 --> 00:48:26.719
Action Group to listen to the residents

00:48:26.800 --> 00:48:28.559
concerns before any decisions are made

00:48:28.639 --> 00:48:30.119
and I think you've already answered that

00:48:30.199 --> 00:48:32.280
question thank you and happy to come

00:48:32.360 --> 00:48:35.840
along on Tuesday night as well very much

00:48:35.920 --> 00:48:37.960
thank you Mr R for the

00:48:38.039 --> 00:48:41.159
questions the next question is from Miss

00:48:41.239 --> 00:48:43.440
Vicki rice who I believe is attending

00:48:43.519 --> 00:48:45.639
please come forward thank you Miss

00:48:45.719 --> 00:48:49.599
Ross thank you this also relates to

00:48:49.679 --> 00:48:52.280
noise  has the council contacted the

00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:54.280
relevant noise authority to conduct a

00:48:54.360 --> 00:48:56.199
noise assessment on the current hockey

00:48:56.280 --> 00:48:57.239
field

00:48:57.320 --> 00:49:00.079
which would need to be doubled if the

00:49:00.159 --> 00:49:02.400
current proposal proceeded with two new

00:49:02.480 --> 00:49:05.760
Fields being played on

00:49:05.840 --> 00:49:07.639
simultaneously thank you very much Miss

00:49:07.719 --> 00:49:09.679
rice director Wilson for you Mr Mayor

00:49:09.760 --> 00:49:12.000
and thank you for that question Miss

00:49:12.079 --> 00:49:15.119
rice as I have mentioned in relation to

00:49:15.199 --> 00:49:17.239
the buffer zone and also in relation to

00:49:17.320 --> 00:49:19.239
the question posed by Council money

00:49:19.320 --> 00:49:21.679
earlier the development will be in full

00:49:21.760 --> 00:49:23.960
compliance with EPA

00:49:24.039 --> 00:49:26.840
regulations  and Provisions for four

00:49:26.920 --> 00:49:30.679
buffer zones for sporting Fields 

00:49:30.760 --> 00:49:33.159
so in relation to that we we're

00:49:33.239 --> 00:49:35.159
confident that the proposed development

00:49:35.239 --> 00:49:38.719
would be in compliance with those

00:49:38.800 --> 00:49:40.599
regulations thank you very much thank

00:49:40.679 --> 00:49:42.480
you for the

00:49:42.559 --> 00:49:45.320
question  the next question is from

00:49:45.400 --> 00:49:48.079
Miss Denise Butler who I believe is it

00:49:48.159 --> 00:49:49.639
oh sorry councelor

00:49:49.719 --> 00:49:52.760
Johnson thank you Mr Mayor I have 

00:49:52.840 --> 00:49:55.519
some questions for director Wilson in

00:49:55.599 --> 00:49:57.800
regard to the master plan and that's

00:49:57.880 --> 00:50:00.960
whether any consideration has been given

00:50:01.039 --> 00:50:06.880
at this stage as to  if if the if

00:50:06.960 --> 00:50:09.840
the pitches are located where they have

00:50:09.920 --> 00:50:11.440
been indicated to be located within the

00:50:11.519 --> 00:50:13.519
master plan has any consideration being

00:50:13.599 --> 00:50:16.679
given to measures Council can take to

00:50:16.760 --> 00:50:20.119
reduce the impact of noise on residents

00:50:20.199 --> 00:50:24.719
as an example there are  sporting

00:50:24.800 --> 00:50:27.159
Fields throughout the world that use

00:50:27.239 --> 00:50:28.639
Earth BMS where they have raised

00:50:28.719 --> 00:50:31.480
barriers of soil around their s Sporting

00:50:31.559 --> 00:50:34.079
fields to absorb sound some people use

00:50:34.159 --> 00:50:36.840
specialized acoustic fences others plant

00:50:36.920 --> 00:50:38.599
 thick vegetation like dense rows of

00:50:38.679 --> 00:50:40.880
trees and shrubs around the perimeter

00:50:40.960 --> 00:50:44.000
there are also sporting organizations

00:50:44.079 --> 00:50:46.119
that install vertical Gardens on the

00:50:46.199 --> 00:50:48.880
existing fences or on our planned

00:50:48.960 --> 00:50:53.000
fences and others still for larger

00:50:53.079 --> 00:50:54.440
events where are going to be a higher

00:50:54.519 --> 00:50:57.400
number of participants or players  use

00:50:57.480 --> 00:51:01.159
temporary noise barriers around the

00:51:01.239 --> 00:51:03.320
outskirts of the playing fields so I was

00:51:03.400 --> 00:51:05.079
interested as to whether anything like

00:51:05.159 --> 00:51:06.599
that has been

00:51:06.679 --> 00:51:08.920
considered whether there whether the the

00:51:09.000 --> 00:51:10.639
pitches are located in that particular

00:51:10.719 --> 00:51:12.519
position or elsewhere in the park have

00:51:12.599 --> 00:51:14.679
we considered how we can reduce noise

00:51:14.760 --> 00:51:16.079
thank you councelor Johnson director

00:51:16.159 --> 00:51:17.840
Wilson through you Mr May and thank you

00:51:17.920 --> 00:51:19.719
councelor Johnson for your question the

00:51:19.800 --> 00:51:22.400
answer to that is yes so we 

00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:24.880
previously referenced planting schemes

00:51:24.960 --> 00:51:27.039
and other Landscaping treatment

00:51:27.119 --> 00:51:29.960
that are not yet  within the draft

00:51:30.039 --> 00:51:32.360
master plan in detail because those

00:51:32.440 --> 00:51:34.119
elements or the detail pertaining to

00:51:34.199 --> 00:51:36.119
those elements would come with the

00:51:36.199 --> 00:51:39.159
detailed design process once  the

00:51:39.239 --> 00:51:41.320
projects were commissioned to be

00:51:41.400 --> 00:51:45.159
delivered  but in

00:51:45.239 --> 00:51:47.800
in understanding of the requirement to

00:51:47.880 --> 00:51:51.039
mitigate noise and light spillage those

00:51:51.119 --> 00:51:53.599
additional treatments are considered and

00:51:53.679 --> 00:51:57.679
are proposed in the draft master plan

00:51:57.760 --> 00:51:59.280
direct ker

00:51:59.360 --> 00:52:01.639
Johnson  thank you director Wilson and

00:52:01.719 --> 00:52:05.239
it would be great to consider

00:52:05.320 --> 00:52:07.039
Innovative approaches that have been

00:52:07.119 --> 00:52:08.679
undertaken elsewhere in Australia and

00:52:08.760 --> 00:52:10.440
indeed across the world to reduce the

00:52:10.519 --> 00:52:13.199
impact of noise on properties that are

00:52:13.280 --> 00:52:16.480
located close to sporting Fields and

00:52:16.559 --> 00:52:18.239
to answer one of the resident questions

00:52:18.320 --> 00:52:21.639
I wouldn't wouldn't enjoy being located

00:52:21.719 --> 00:52:23.480
 next to a sporting Precinct where

00:52:23.559 --> 00:52:24.840
there is a lot of noise so it' be great

00:52:24.920 --> 00:52:27.440
to look at at what we can do do and I

00:52:27.519 --> 00:52:29.400
actually just had one other question

00:52:29.480 --> 00:52:31.960
which relates to the hours of usage of

00:52:32.039 --> 00:52:33.800
the current pitch obviously lights have

00:52:33.880 --> 00:52:36.360
been installed which allow the

00:52:36.440 --> 00:52:38.239
current hockey pitch to be used for more

00:52:38.320 --> 00:52:40.280
hours of the day which is helpful given

00:52:40.360 --> 00:52:42.400
that there is the only only the one

00:52:42.480 --> 00:52:45.039
pitch that they can use would there

00:52:45.119 --> 00:52:46.800
be additional restrictions around the

00:52:46.880 --> 00:52:48.679
hours of usage is that something

00:52:48.760 --> 00:52:50.400
that's been considered given the

00:52:50.480 --> 00:52:51.639
additional

00:52:51.719 --> 00:52:53.599
capacity thank you councelor Johnson

00:52:53.679 --> 00:52:55.679
director Wilson three Mr Mayor thank you

00:52:55.760 --> 00:52:57.599
for the followup question councelor

00:52:57.679 --> 00:53:01.079
Johnson  yes there is consideration

00:53:01.159 --> 00:53:03.360
given to scheduling  that's one of the

00:53:03.440 --> 00:53:06.079
benefits of providing a second Pitch is

00:53:06.159 --> 00:53:09.599
it reduces the demand or the length of

00:53:09.679 --> 00:53:12.039
time throughout a day or evening that a

00:53:12.119 --> 00:53:15.039
single pitch is required so one of the

00:53:15.119 --> 00:53:18.119
benefits we do expect of as a result of

00:53:18.199 --> 00:53:20.880
the provision of a second Pitch is a

00:53:20.960 --> 00:53:24.039
reduced level of demand per pitch as

00:53:24.119 --> 00:53:27.920
utilization is spread across both

00:53:28.000 --> 00:53:30.800
Fields thank you director

00:53:30.880 --> 00:53:34.119
Wilson Council Hargraves thank you Mr M

00:53:34.199 --> 00:53:38.239
just a quick one for director Wilson

00:53:38.320 --> 00:53:41.000
I think the EPA regulations

00:53:41.079 --> 00:53:43.360
2021 I'm just wondering if I mean you've

00:53:43.440 --> 00:53:46.480
more or less answered this in your

00:53:46.559 --> 00:53:49.039
answering tonight but does that refer to

00:53:49.119 --> 00:53:51.599
a specific amount of decb or anything

00:53:51.679 --> 00:53:53.800
like that and is there a way to I guess

00:53:53.880 --> 00:53:56.679
measure what the current decibel level

00:53:56.760 --> 00:53:59.000
is when a game's on at the existing

00:53:59.079 --> 00:54:01.360
pitch thank you councelor harres

00:54:01.440 --> 00:54:03.800
director Wilson true Mr Mayor thank you

00:54:03.880 --> 00:54:06.760
councelor hargr for your question  so

00:54:06.840 --> 00:54:09.599
the EPA regulations do prescribe 

00:54:09.679 --> 00:54:12.679
noise levels and limitate or require

00:54:12.760 --> 00:54:15.760
limitations and time frames in relation

00:54:15.840 --> 00:54:20.320
to levels of noise as well U but

00:54:20.400 --> 00:54:22.800
hearing the concern raised by residents

00:54:22.880 --> 00:54:26.800
about noise more than happy to once the

00:54:26.880 --> 00:54:29.360
 existing field is back in action and

00:54:29.440 --> 00:54:32.480
we're able to assess the level of noise

00:54:32.559 --> 00:54:36.079
coming from a a an average use of the

00:54:36.159 --> 00:54:38.159
existing field more than happy to look

00:54:38.239 --> 00:54:40.599
at measuring the decibels coming from

00:54:40.679 --> 00:54:43.239
that use  and understanding that the

00:54:43.320 --> 00:54:45.239
consideration of a master plan with

00:54:45.320 --> 00:54:47.519
proposed location for new projects is

00:54:47.599 --> 00:54:49.199
the first step towards delivering

00:54:49.280 --> 00:54:51.199
projects it's not yet the actual

00:54:51.280 --> 00:54:53.119
delivery so we've got some time

00:54:53.199 --> 00:54:55.199
available to us to assess those types of

00:54:55.280 --> 00:54:57.920
issues prior to commissioning projects

00:54:58.000 --> 00:54:59.920
thank you Mr thank you director

00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:03.199
Wilson  Miss Butler who I believe is

00:55:03.280 --> 00:55:06.039
attending thank

00:55:10.119 --> 00:55:12.599
you U thank you for the opportunity to

00:55:12.679 --> 00:55:15.159
ask questions so I'm rning off my

00:55:15.239 --> 00:55:17.440
phone so I might have to swipe a bit 

00:55:17.519 --> 00:55:20.159
I'm back on to the park I live in St

00:55:20.239 --> 00:55:23.719
Michael's place so the proposal will

00:55:23.800 --> 00:55:27.039
directly affect me and my family

00:55:27.119 --> 00:55:28.880
my first question is has the draft

00:55:28.960 --> 00:55:31.000
proposal of the Prince of Wales Park

00:55:31.079 --> 00:55:32.800
master plan addressed the significant

00:55:32.880 --> 00:55:35.840
impact of the loss of open Green Space

00:55:35.920 --> 00:55:37.639
on the physical and mental well-being of

00:55:37.719 --> 00:55:39.360
surrounding residents not to mention the

00:55:39.440 --> 00:55:44.159
impact of to FL on flora and fora

00:55:44.239 --> 00:55:45.360
thank you Miss Butler for the question

00:55:45.440 --> 00:55:47.400
director Wilson three Mr May thank you

00:55:47.480 --> 00:55:50.639
Miss Butler for the question yes we

00:55:50.719 --> 00:55:52.960
believe that it has we we believe that

00:55:53.039 --> 00:55:55.119
the formalization of the area currently

00:55:55.199 --> 00:55:58.480
used by Ary with an irrigated grass

00:55:58.559 --> 00:56:02.639
playing field improves the green open

00:56:02.719 --> 00:56:05.400
space amenity in the reserve  there'll

00:56:05.480 --> 00:56:08.000
be some  proposed realignment of some

00:56:08.079 --> 00:56:09.559
of the walking or running tracks for

00:56:09.639 --> 00:56:11.480
park run and of course we are

00:56:11.559 --> 00:56:13.719
maintaining existing pathways through

00:56:13.800 --> 00:56:17.280
the reserve for Resident linkages

00:56:17.360 --> 00:56:19.079
from where you live through to other

00:56:19.159 --> 00:56:21.880
parks and Gardens in the in the general

00:56:21.960 --> 00:56:25.000
area which we do believe has a an

00:56:25.079 --> 00:56:28.320
enhancement of residents health and

00:56:28.400 --> 00:56:30.320
well-being thank you director Wilson and

00:56:30.400 --> 00:56:33.119
Miss Butler your second question sorry

00:56:33.199 --> 00:56:34.840
before you do Council

00:56:34.920 --> 00:56:37.519
McIntosh my apologies Miss Butler

00:56:37.599 --> 00:56:40.760
through Mr Mayor to Mr Wilson for

00:56:40.840 --> 00:56:42.840
those linkages one of the questions that

00:56:42.920 --> 00:56:45.280
I was asked by a member of the Lake

00:56:45.360 --> 00:56:48.719
Gardens Community was safety as well 

00:56:48.800 --> 00:56:52.840
in opening their residential area in a

00:56:52.920 --> 00:56:56.760
different manner  May provide access

00:56:56.840 --> 00:56:59.639
that hasn't been available in the past

00:56:59.719 --> 00:57:00.639
and and

00:57:00.719 --> 00:57:04.840
may provide a pathway for undesirable

00:57:04.920 --> 00:57:06.199
Behavior as well I'm just wondering

00:57:06.280 --> 00:57:08.599
whether that's being considered thank

00:57:08.679 --> 00:57:10.800
you Council McIntosh director Wilson

00:57:10.880 --> 00:57:12.119
three Mr Mayor thank you councilor

00:57:12.199 --> 00:57:15.159
McIntosh for that question

00:57:15.239 --> 00:57:16.519
specifically to address the type of

00:57:16.599 --> 00:57:18.360
issue that you raised that that's dealt

00:57:18.440 --> 00:57:21.840
with in an assessment of the types of

00:57:21.920 --> 00:57:24.079
plantings and types of

00:57:24.159 --> 00:57:26.440
landscaping  treatments that are put

00:57:26.519 --> 00:57:29.360
into a reserve specifically to avoid the

00:57:29.440 --> 00:57:31.920
creation of hiding places or anything

00:57:32.000 --> 00:57:34.280
that might pose as a Potential Threat

00:57:34.360 --> 00:57:36.960
within a public open space the master

00:57:37.039 --> 00:57:40.159
plan itself proposes a range of projects

00:57:40.239 --> 00:57:42.199
that enhance the utilization of the

00:57:42.280 --> 00:57:45.440
reserve for active sport related

00:57:45.519 --> 00:57:49.119
practices park run and also passive

00:57:49.199 --> 00:57:52.960
Recreation it is aimed at increasing

00:57:53.039 --> 00:57:56.199
passive surveillance through the reserve

00:57:56.280 --> 00:57:57.800
as more people move through the reserve

00:57:57.880 --> 00:58:00.039
there's less chance of antisocial

00:58:00.119 --> 00:58:02.599
Behavior occurring thank you thank you

00:58:02.679 --> 00:58:04.559
director Wilson Council McIntosh sure Mr

00:58:04.639 --> 00:58:06.519
may I might not have interpreted it

00:58:06.599 --> 00:58:09.360
correctly but the way I took the

00:58:09.440 --> 00:58:11.480
question from the community from the

00:58:11.559 --> 00:58:14.000
resident and listening to your answer to

00:58:14.079 --> 00:58:18.360
miss Butler's question first question

00:58:18.440 --> 00:58:20.119
it sounded to me as if there would be

00:58:20.199 --> 00:58:23.159
more access points to that residential

00:58:23.239 --> 00:58:26.639
area more open in effect and it was that

00:58:26.719 --> 00:58:29.960
question that was posed to me about

00:58:30.039 --> 00:58:32.719
safety so you know another Gateway

00:58:32.800 --> 00:58:35.480
another connection of walking path in a

00:58:35.559 --> 00:58:37.239
different manner that opens into that

00:58:37.320 --> 00:58:39.320
Community thank you Council McIntosh

00:58:39.400 --> 00:58:41.079
director Wilson three Mr Mayor and thank

00:58:41.159 --> 00:58:42.440
you for the question seeking

00:58:42.519 --> 00:58:44.800
clarification councilor Macintosh the

00:58:44.880 --> 00:58:46.960
master plan doesn't propose creating any

00:58:47.039 --> 00:58:47.880
new

00:58:47.960 --> 00:58:51.119
openings  from the reserve into the

00:58:51.199 --> 00:58:54.199
Lake Gardens residential area  it only

00:58:54.280 --> 00:58:57.039
talks about  in making improvements to

00:58:57.119 --> 00:58:59.239
existing amenities within the reserve

00:58:59.320 --> 00:59:01.440
thank you thank you director Wilson Miss

00:59:01.519 --> 00:59:05.639
Butler your second question thank you

00:59:05.719 --> 00:59:08.400
residents recently I believe it was 2021

00:59:08.480 --> 00:59:10.360
successfully opposed a proposed hockey

00:59:10.440 --> 00:59:13.159
pitch at Benedict Reserve scorby citing

00:59:13.239 --> 00:59:14.960
similar objections to residents living

00:59:15.039 --> 00:59:16.880
in Lake Gardens these included

00:59:16.960 --> 00:59:19.400
encroachment of green open space noise

00:59:19.480 --> 00:59:21.280
and visual pollution and car parking

00:59:21.360 --> 00:59:23.840
issues the hockey pitch was built in W

00:59:23.920 --> 00:59:27.199
Turner instead has the draft proposal

00:59:27.280 --> 00:59:29.199
for the master plan looked at why other

00:59:29.280 --> 00:59:31.039
residential groups have objected to

00:59:31.119 --> 00:59:33.039
living in such close proximity to a

00:59:33.119 --> 00:59:35.480
hockey pitch thank you for the question

00:59:35.559 --> 00:59:37.280
director Wilson you Mr May and thank you

00:59:37.360 --> 00:59:39.920
for your second question M Butler as

00:59:40.000 --> 00:59:42.280
previously mentioned alternate sites

00:59:42.360 --> 00:59:46.199
were considered  in the selection or

00:59:46.280 --> 00:59:48.480
the commitment being proposed to the

00:59:48.559 --> 00:59:52.239
Prince of Wales park for these purposes

00:59:52.320 --> 00:59:55.639
 and so as such the master plan treats

00:59:55.719 --> 00:59:57.679
is a response to those needs within the

00:59:57.760 --> 01:00:00.159
Prince of Wales Park

01:00:00.239 --> 01:00:01.960
itself thank you thank you director

01:00:02.039 --> 01:00:03.519
Wilson thank you m Butler for your

01:00:03.599 --> 01:00:06.000
questions this evening the next question

01:00:06.079 --> 01:00:08.920
is from Mr Stuart pwe who I believe is

01:00:09.000 --> 01:00:12.480
attending thank you Mr

01:00:14.119 --> 01:00:17.400
pwe thanks for the opportunity Mr Mayor

01:00:17.480 --> 01:00:21.719
yes Mr Wilson's having to try out the

01:00:21.800 --> 01:00:26.280
same answer over and over and I would

01:00:26.360 --> 01:00:28.320
to try and avoid that I'd really like to

01:00:28.400 --> 01:00:30.280
address this question to the

01:00:30.360 --> 01:00:32.559
councilors

01:00:32.639 --> 01:00:37.039
I've I watched the June 25  video

01:00:37.119 --> 01:00:39.199
discussion at the council meeting and I

01:00:39.280 --> 01:00:42.039
did note that the word Resident was not

01:00:42.119 --> 01:00:47.719
used once in that discussion so do the

01:00:47.800 --> 01:00:50.599
councilors did in in supporting the

01:00:50.679 --> 01:00:53.480
draft plan did the

01:00:53.559 --> 01:00:56.599
councilors at

01:00:56.679 --> 01:01:01.239
at any time consider the impact to

01:01:01.320 --> 01:01:06.599
Residents in the loss of Green Space

01:01:06.679 --> 01:01:08.960
which there is a loss because there is

01:01:09.039 --> 01:01:11.159
Green Space being lost all right there's

01:01:11.239 --> 01:01:12.920
there's an unirrigated Green Space

01:01:13.000 --> 01:01:16.199
getting irrigated but the green space is

01:01:16.280 --> 01:01:17.800
reduced

01:01:17.880 --> 01:01:21.000
which reduces the opportunity for

01:01:21.079 --> 01:01:22.719
Passive

01:01:22.800 --> 01:01:25.079
exercise the noise has been mentioned

01:01:25.159 --> 01:01:27.320
over and over and we have heard from

01:01:27.400 --> 01:01:28.960
existing residents that the noise is

01:01:29.039 --> 01:01:31.559
already impactful from the existing

01:01:31.639 --> 01:01:35.079
field so how it will not be impactful

01:01:35.159 --> 01:01:38.440
from a field 25 M from people's bedrooms

01:01:38.519 --> 01:01:42.960
is hard to understand the lights will be

01:01:43.039 --> 01:01:45.239
the light towers are also within 20 or

01:01:45.320 --> 01:01:49.119
30 m from existing bedrooms

01:01:49.199 --> 01:01:53.159
and Lounge rooms  and so you know we'

01:01:53.239 --> 01:01:54.639
be drawing the curtains to be able to

01:01:54.719 --> 01:01:56.960
watch our telly

01:01:57.039 --> 01:02:00.079
 councelor McIntosh has attempted

01:02:00.159 --> 01:02:03.480
to explain the the potential impact of

01:02:03.559 --> 01:02:06.159
crime now the way I've looked at the

01:02:06.239 --> 01:02:08.840
plan is there not an extension of the

01:02:08.920 --> 01:02:12.400
existing Gravel Road being bized and

01:02:12.480 --> 01:02:15.440
extending through to Integra which will

01:02:15.519 --> 01:02:19.079
only encourage faster and more hooning

01:02:19.159 --> 01:02:23.480
as the con existing users of the park

01:02:23.559 --> 01:02:26.280
will attest to  vandalization and

01:02:26.360 --> 01:02:29.239
Breakin of all those facilities are

01:02:29.320 --> 01:02:33.280
regular building another one only 45 M

01:02:33.360 --> 01:02:36.320
from residen is 

01:02:36.400 --> 01:02:39.760
is  potentially  inviting criminal

01:02:39.840 --> 01:02:41.840
elements closer to

01:02:41.920 --> 01:02:45.440
Residents the visual impact you know

01:02:45.519 --> 01:02:47.800
you're losing Green Space and and 

01:02:47.880 --> 01:02:50.840
gaining hard space and car parks and is

01:02:50.920 --> 01:02:52.960
there a potential devaluation of our

01:02:53.039 --> 01:02:56.719
properties and and how is was that

01:02:56.800 --> 01:02:58.480
also considered by counselors so I'd

01:02:58.559 --> 01:03:01.480
like the counselors to consider those

01:03:01.559 --> 01:03:05.599
impacts to the residents please yeah

01:03:05.679 --> 01:03:08.239
thank you Mr Posite for your question

01:03:08.320 --> 01:03:11.239
I'll direct where questions are given in

01:03:11.320 --> 01:03:14.239
normally officers will respond but

01:03:14.320 --> 01:03:16.559
councelor Maloney I'm happy to answer as

01:03:16.639 --> 01:03:18.320
the person that moved the motion at the

01:03:18.400 --> 01:03:21.119
last council meeting because the motion

01:03:21.199 --> 01:03:24.079
short answer is yes the expectation I

01:03:24.159 --> 01:03:25.719
think of councilors at the last meting

01:03:25.800 --> 01:03:28.400
meeting was  that the broader

01:03:28.480 --> 01:03:30.679
Community which includes residents would

01:03:30.760 --> 01:03:32.280
be consulted because the last part of

01:03:32.360 --> 01:03:35.119
the motion was to note the master plan

01:03:35.199 --> 01:03:36.800
we presented to council upon completion

01:03:36.880 --> 01:03:38.840
of community consultation for

01:03:38.920 --> 01:03:40.079
consideration of submissions and

01:03:40.159 --> 01:03:41.760
adoption so I guess it's pretty common

01:03:41.840 --> 01:03:44.519
for a support at a proposal you don't

01:03:44.599 --> 01:03:46.760
usually you can't give feedback on

01:03:46.840 --> 01:03:48.679
nothing and the discussion that you

01:03:48.760 --> 01:03:50.840
would have seen in the video  at the

01:03:50.920 --> 01:03:52.679
last meeting was that there's been

01:03:52.760 --> 01:03:56.960
Decades of  ideas and lack of

01:03:57.039 --> 01:03:59.239
certainty bounced around for the the

01:03:59.320 --> 01:04:00.880
Sporting Community that used that

01:04:00.960 --> 01:04:03.239
Precinct and we get to a point where we

01:04:03.320 --> 01:04:05.000
need to have a recommendation to go

01:04:05.079 --> 01:04:08.199
forward a plan that everyone can you

01:04:08.280 --> 01:04:11.880
know set to set their their sites on 

01:04:11.960 --> 01:04:13.840
and for that plan to be circulated

01:04:13.920 --> 01:04:15.800
amongst the community for feedback and

01:04:15.880 --> 01:04:18.159
that's I guess why you're here tonight

01:04:18.239 --> 01:04:20.400
so yeah the the expectation the very

01:04:20.480 --> 01:04:22.239
last point of the resolution that we all

01:04:22.320 --> 01:04:24.599
voted on was to put it out to

01:04:24.679 --> 01:04:26.639
consultation that's what we expect so

01:04:26.719 --> 01:04:29.840
we expect you to give feedback now as

01:04:29.920 --> 01:04:31.519
you are I think we hear you loud and

01:04:31.599 --> 01:04:34.840
clear your question about you know

01:04:34.920 --> 01:04:38.000
would I be happy to live there yes I

01:04:38.079 --> 01:04:40.800
lived in Lake Gardens for a long time

01:04:40.880 --> 01:04:43.960
I I moved out out of a rental to a place

01:04:44.039 --> 01:04:46.440
in in alfon eventually but in the

01:04:46.519 --> 01:04:49.239
same token I loved the fact that it

01:04:49.320 --> 01:04:51.320
was close to sporting facilities it

01:04:51.400 --> 01:04:52.719
makes it one of the most attractive

01:04:52.800 --> 01:04:54.880
parts of bat and it's one of the reasons

01:04:54.960 --> 01:04:57.360
why the property prices in that area

01:04:57.440 --> 01:04:59.639
some of the most expensive in Bat it's

01:04:59.719 --> 01:05:01.079
beautifully close to Lake and open

01:05:01.159 --> 01:05:03.320
precincts it's beautifully close to one

01:05:03.400 --> 01:05:05.559
of the best aquatic centers in

01:05:05.639 --> 01:05:08.239
Regional Victoria it has great

01:05:08.320 --> 01:05:10.280
sporting facilities around it there's a

01:05:10.360 --> 01:05:12.679
lot that actually is great about that

01:05:12.760 --> 01:05:15.800
area but we need to do a better job to

01:05:15.880 --> 01:05:17.480
mitigate the impacts I hear you loud and

01:05:17.559 --> 01:05:20.039
clear so you know there's there's

01:05:20.119 --> 01:05:21.360
definitely some issues don't get me

01:05:21.440 --> 01:05:23.480
wrong I'm hearing that loud and clear

01:05:23.559 --> 01:05:24.840
and we definitely should be doing better

01:05:24.920 --> 01:05:26.679
to mitigate those issues councelor

01:05:26.760 --> 01:05:28.199
Johnson suggested a few good things bit

01:05:28.280 --> 01:05:31.039
earlier about time of use and stuff like

01:05:31.119 --> 01:05:34.320
that that that might help but  but

01:05:34.400 --> 01:05:36.079
equally I don't think it's all doom and

01:05:36.159 --> 01:05:37.239
gloom either I think it's also an

01:05:37.320 --> 01:05:39.079
amazing Precinct as well and that that

01:05:39.159 --> 01:05:41.079
makes it attractive to people to live in

01:05:41.159 --> 01:05:43.480
that area it's been there for a long

01:05:43.559 --> 01:05:44.800
time and it attracts people there for

01:05:44.880 --> 01:05:48.239
that reason thank you councelor Maloney

01:05:48.320 --> 01:05:49.280
councelor

01:05:49.360 --> 01:05:51.840
Macintosh  through you Mr Mayor I'd

01:05:51.920 --> 01:05:55.079
like to  take the opportunity also to

01:05:55.159 --> 01:05:57.360
respond to the questions to us as a

01:05:57.440 --> 01:05:59.639
group of counselors or individual

01:05:59.719 --> 01:06:02.159
counselors and I have received a number

01:06:02.239 --> 01:06:05.280
of calls from the residents in the area

01:06:05.360 --> 01:06:08.360
 not just the residents but also from

01:06:08.440 --> 01:06:10.719
 some participating in part of the

01:06:10.800 --> 01:06:13.760
sporting opportunities there as well to

01:06:13.840 --> 01:06:16.800
follow on with from Council Maloney's

01:06:16.880 --> 01:06:18.800
comments you know it is a lovely area

01:06:18.880 --> 01:06:20.679
and it does have valuable real estate

01:06:20.760 --> 01:06:23.960
and it is accessible to the lake and and

01:06:24.039 --> 01:06:25.800
the sporting facilities and surrounding

01:06:25.880 --> 01:06:28.800
but for those reasons I hear the

01:06:28.880 --> 01:06:30.800
residents concerns even more so because

01:06:30.880 --> 01:06:33.239
you don't want that to be jeopardized

01:06:33.320 --> 01:06:35.079
I'm not a real estate agent now but I

01:06:35.159 --> 01:06:37.239
have been in in not that long ago

01:06:37.320 --> 01:06:40.239
history and I absolutely understand the

01:06:40.320 --> 01:06:44.280
impacts of property values and I think

01:06:44.360 --> 01:06:47.440
that it's fair and reasonable that the

01:06:47.519 --> 01:06:49.360
residents are asking the questions of us

01:06:49.440 --> 01:06:52.639
that they are and  they don't want to

01:06:52.719 --> 01:06:54.719
see that wonderful space that they've

01:06:54.800 --> 01:06:58.519
chosen as their home to be impacted

01:06:58.599 --> 01:07:01.199
without due consideration from us as a

01:07:01.280 --> 01:07:04.000
group of councilors so as I've been

01:07:04.079 --> 01:07:06.440
called I

01:07:06.519 --> 01:07:09.679
absolutely  have listened and can hear

01:07:09.760 --> 01:07:12.159
the concerns and can understand as well

01:07:12.239 --> 01:07:13.639
why they're asking the questions that

01:07:13.719 --> 01:07:16.559
they are equally I'd also say yes this

01:07:16.639 --> 01:07:18.480
has been on our agenda for a long time

01:07:18.559 --> 01:07:20.599
and you know we we've looked at for

01:07:20.679 --> 01:07:22.679
instance with hockey and we've talked to

01:07:22.760 --> 01:07:24.760
grammar and other places so there has

01:07:24.840 --> 01:07:27.760
been consider ation for other sites too

01:07:27.840 --> 01:07:30.119
but I think that we can do better at

01:07:30.199 --> 01:07:32.079
that as well and and maybe we as a group

01:07:32.159 --> 01:07:34.800
of councilors that are receiving these

01:07:34.880 --> 01:07:35.920
officers

01:07:36.000 --> 01:07:39.079
recommendations could maybe have a

01:07:39.159 --> 01:07:40.840
little bit more information about what

01:07:40.920 --> 01:07:43.400
other options I certainly recall the

01:07:43.480 --> 01:07:44.840
grammar thing well that's not going to

01:07:44.920 --> 01:07:46.800
be something that Council I would

01:07:46.880 --> 01:07:49.639
imagine are going to be entertaining

01:07:49.719 --> 01:07:52.360
because it's a private facility but

01:07:52.440 --> 01:07:55.079
there needs to be something for hockey

01:07:55.159 --> 01:07:57.760
equally we've got some issues here

01:07:57.840 --> 01:07:59.320
that are pretty loud and clear tonight

01:07:59.400 --> 01:08:02.480
that we need to consider the really

01:08:02.559 --> 01:08:04.039
important thing I think for the

01:08:04.119 --> 01:08:07.400
community to know to give them a tiny

01:08:07.480 --> 01:08:10.159
little bit of comfort is that we need to

01:08:10.239 --> 01:08:12.000
go through a process like this to hear

01:08:12.079 --> 01:08:13.880
people's concerns and and clearly by

01:08:13.960 --> 01:08:18.239
putting a plan out there has opened

01:08:18.319 --> 01:08:20.960
this conversation up a bit more broadly

01:08:21.039 --> 01:08:22.760
and maybe it should have been open a bit

01:08:22.840 --> 01:08:24.960
bit more broadly before  with the

01:08:25.039 --> 01:08:27.159
resident included in this we've had

01:08:27.239 --> 01:08:29.079
significant conversation with many of

01:08:29.159 --> 01:08:31.560
the sporting groups and a lot of

01:08:31.640 --> 01:08:33.119
opportunity for feedback in different

01:08:33.199 --> 01:08:36.119
versions of consultation  but what we

01:08:36.199 --> 01:08:38.960
have got now is an opportunity for us as

01:08:39.039 --> 01:08:41.159
a group of counselors to take big note

01:08:41.239 --> 01:08:43.439
in what we're hearing from the residents

01:08:43.520 --> 01:08:46.039
and not just from the Sporting Community

01:08:46.119 --> 01:08:49.119
thank you councelor McIntosh Mr pwe your

01:08:49.199 --> 01:08:51.119
next question please yes and I think

01:08:51.199 --> 01:08:53.199
it's been asked and answered potentially

01:08:53.279 --> 01:08:56.439
but again to the council's can you

01:08:56.520 --> 01:08:58.399
put your hand on your heart look me in

01:08:58.479 --> 01:09:01.239
the eye and tell me that you would live

01:09:01.319 --> 01:09:04.960
25 M from what is acknowledged as one of

01:09:05.039 --> 01:09:07.840
the noisiest Community sports with

01:09:07.920 --> 01:09:11.039
lighting Towers only 25 M from your

01:09:11.119 --> 01:09:14.079
living room and your kids

01:09:14.560 --> 01:09:16.960
bedrooms thank you Mr POS it's a bit of

01:09:17.039 --> 01:09:20.159
a crystal ball exercise in terms of like

01:09:20.239 --> 01:09:23.000
people in wide wide Avenue near Mars

01:09:23.079 --> 01:09:26.039
Stadihave light towers have AFL

01:09:26.119 --> 01:09:28.880
football have lots of football  and

01:09:28.960 --> 01:09:30.880
other sports that's there I think we're

01:09:30.960 --> 01:09:32.680
hearing the concern of residents we're

01:09:32.760 --> 01:09:34.880
happy to go to the next phase Community

01:09:34.960 --> 01:09:36.319
consultation we're hearing loud and

01:09:36.399 --> 01:09:38.359
clear we will certainly think about

01:09:38.439 --> 01:09:40.600
these issues before we go any further

01:09:40.680 --> 01:09:42.760
thank thanks again for the opportunity

01:09:42.840 --> 01:09:45.399
thank you Mr POS  next question is

01:09:45.479 --> 01:09:47.319
from Mr Ian Davis who is attending with

01:09:47.399 --> 01:09:51.279
us this evening evening Ian thank you

01:09:51.359 --> 01:09:53.560
fellow thanks councilors for this

01:09:53.640 --> 01:09:56.600
opportunity to  at least have some

01:09:56.680 --> 01:10:00.399
consultation I'm also a  resident of

01:10:00.479 --> 01:10:02.359
St Marco Place back on to the Prince of

01:10:02.439 --> 01:10:05.520
Wales Park I'm currently the 

01:10:05.600 --> 01:10:07.279
president of the tennis club there it's

01:10:07.359 --> 01:10:10.239
situated on the that Precinct also the

01:10:10.319 --> 01:10:12.319
president of the Lake Gardens Action

01:10:12.399 --> 01:10:15.800
Group I believe that the  draft master

01:10:15.880 --> 01:10:17.399
plan of frce of Wales Park is not in

01:10:17.479 --> 01:10:20.399
fact a plan it is a  that is fair to

01:10:20.479 --> 01:10:22.000
all the sporting clubs on the venue but

01:10:22.079 --> 01:10:23.920
in fact the master plan who enable the H

01:10:24.000 --> 01:10:26.960
Hockey Club to a again have the why is I

01:10:27.039 --> 01:10:30.399
filed in the regional feasibility study

01:10:30.479 --> 01:10:33.560
921 which I was involved in so my first

01:10:33.640 --> 01:10:35.159
question would be are there any members

01:10:35.239 --> 01:10:37.800
of the current councilors or senior

01:10:37.880 --> 01:10:39.760
Council

01:10:39.840 --> 01:10:42.079
management within invested affiliation

01:10:42.159 --> 01:10:45.479
with the bat Hockey Club director Wilson

01:10:45.560 --> 01:10:47.039
through Mr Mayor thank you for the

01:10:47.119 --> 01:10:50.000
question Mr Davis no senior Council

01:10:50.079 --> 01:10:52.520
officer involved in the preparation of

01:10:52.600 --> 01:10:55.840
the draft master plan has a Ed

01:10:55.920 --> 01:10:58.520
affiliation with hockey thank you thank

01:10:58.600 --> 01:11:01.239
you direct Wilson councilor Eddie 

01:11:01.319 --> 01:11:03.720
just just a comment really to the

01:11:03.800 --> 01:11:06.520
presenter we get asked at the start

01:11:06.600 --> 01:11:08.520
of the meeting each and every meeting

01:11:08.600 --> 01:11:11.000
whether we have conflicts of interest so

01:11:11.079 --> 01:11:13.239
as a credibility issue I think if any

01:11:13.319 --> 01:11:16.399
counselor or senior officer had a

01:11:16.479 --> 01:11:18.119
situation like that occur they would

01:11:18.199 --> 01:11:20.800
certainly put their hand up personally I

01:11:20.880 --> 01:11:24.600
just find it a little bit frustrating

01:11:24.680 --> 01:11:26.720
that you know that integrity's question

01:11:26.800 --> 01:11:28.000
that question was asked at the start of

01:11:28.079 --> 01:11:29.920
tonight's meeting thank you thank you

01:11:30.000 --> 01:11:33.399
councelor Eddie councelor McIntosh

01:11:33.479 --> 01:11:35.760
just to clarify that for for the

01:11:35.840 --> 01:11:38.560
community sometimes people don't

01:11:38.640 --> 01:11:42.000
understand or know the the governance

01:11:42.079 --> 01:11:44.920
requirements in this space but what a

01:11:45.000 --> 01:11:48.159
conflict is is  if there's a financial

01:11:48.239 --> 01:11:51.560
gain or loss and and if there's  a

01:11:51.640 --> 01:11:54.840
role an administrative or executive role

01:11:54.920 --> 01:11:59.520
that is held by any anyone that's

01:11:59.600 --> 01:12:03.319
making the decision and from my

01:12:03.399 --> 01:12:05.039
understanding I don't think that there

01:12:05.119 --> 01:12:07.439
is anyone in that in that particular

01:12:07.520 --> 01:12:09.960
space I think I know that our children

01:12:10.039 --> 01:12:12.039
have been part of hockey over the years

01:12:12.119 --> 01:12:13.600
and I think there's probably others

01:12:13.680 --> 01:12:15.199
around the table that are in the same

01:12:15.279 --> 01:12:17.960
space as me or that may have used

01:12:18.039 --> 01:12:20.359
other sporting facilities in that

01:12:20.439 --> 01:12:24.319
Precinct as well but I know certainly

01:12:24.399 --> 01:12:26.560
for myself and and the knowledge that I

01:12:26.640 --> 01:12:28.680
have of other councilors that we don't

01:12:28.760 --> 01:12:31.560
hold any executive roles or decision

01:12:31.640 --> 01:12:34.800
making positions nor financial gain or

01:12:34.880 --> 01:12:38.079
loss thank you councelor McIntosh Mr

01:12:38.159 --> 01:12:40.239
Davis your second question second

01:12:40.319 --> 01:12:42.279
question is the master plan of Prince of

01:12:42.359 --> 01:12:44.239
Wales park has not addressed the issues

01:12:44.319 --> 01:12:46.239
both raised with the consultation of the

01:12:46.319 --> 01:12:49.520
bat tennis club and other sporting clubs

01:12:49.600 --> 01:12:51.319
of the Prince of Wales Park regarding

01:12:51.399 --> 01:12:52.960
the numerous burglaries and thefts that

01:12:53.039 --> 01:12:56.720
have occurred over on most clubs at the

01:12:56.800 --> 01:12:58.600
site over the last two years our

01:12:58.680 --> 01:13:00.640
requests to have security lighting

01:13:00.720 --> 01:13:02.439
perhaps motion sensors and security

01:13:02.520 --> 01:13:05.079
cameras erected in that area thank you

01:13:05.159 --> 01:13:09.119
Mr Davis  director Wilson TR Mr Mayor

01:13:09.199 --> 01:13:10.520
thank you for your second question Mr

01:13:10.600 --> 01:13:13.399
Davis Mr Mayor I'm happy to personally

01:13:13.479 --> 01:13:15.279
follow up with Mr Davis in relation to

01:13:15.359 --> 01:13:16.000
those

01:13:16.079 --> 01:13:19.479
concerns  in the coming days if that's

01:13:19.560 --> 01:13:22.039
acceptable to Mr Davis thank you

01:13:22.119 --> 01:13:24.399
director thank you Mr Davis for your

01:13:24.479 --> 01:13:26.880
attendance and questions the next

01:13:26.960 --> 01:13:29.840
questions are from Miss Susan Lon who I

01:13:29.920 --> 01:13:32.800
believe is attending welcome Miss Liston

01:13:32.880 --> 01:13:33.560
good

01:13:33.640 --> 01:13:35.680
evening my questions have really

01:13:35.760 --> 01:13:38.880
basically been covered a comment

01:13:38.960 --> 01:13:40.920
would be that there seems to be a

01:13:41.000 --> 01:13:45.640
fairly hard line against this 30 m

01:13:45.720 --> 01:13:48.399
business I am right behind the the one

01:13:48.479 --> 01:13:50.960
of the hockey Fields directly behind so

01:13:51.039 --> 01:13:55.159
I'm very severely impacted so from

01:13:55.239 --> 01:13:56.439
where I'm sitting it seems though

01:13:56.520 --> 01:13:58.680
there's very little wiggle room with

01:13:58.760 --> 01:14:01.359
the 30 m so that's just a comment the

01:14:01.439 --> 01:14:03.760
other one is about the 

01:14:03.840 --> 01:14:07.199
consultation we as residents would

01:14:07.279 --> 01:14:10.279
like to know why the neighboring

01:14:10.359 --> 01:14:13.840
prince prince of w Park consulted or

01:14:13.920 --> 01:14:16.600
even advised that a master plan which

01:14:16.680 --> 01:14:18.680
would adversely affect us was being

01:14:18.760 --> 01:14:21.119
developed we were we're not told this

01:14:21.199 --> 01:14:23.319
consultation was offered after the plan

01:14:23.399 --> 01:14:26.520
was completed we got the lovely plan

01:14:26.600 --> 01:14:29.159
in our one of the neighbors dropped

01:14:29.239 --> 01:14:33.439
it off actually and we were given 24

01:14:33.520 --> 01:14:36.760
days of which 14 days were school

01:14:36.840 --> 01:14:39.680
holidays  to make them response it's

01:14:39.760 --> 01:14:42.239
pretty short time to mine sat on the on

01:14:42.319 --> 01:14:43.960
the bench for three or 4 days before I

01:14:44.039 --> 01:14:46.159
even looked at it some people were

01:14:46.239 --> 01:14:48.520
away I know someone who had a family

01:14:48.600 --> 01:14:51.239
death when you're given 24 days it's

01:14:51.319 --> 01:14:54.000
not much time thank you Miss listen for

01:14:54.079 --> 01:14:56.159
your question as I think Council Harris

01:14:56.239 --> 01:14:58.359
said at the outset that clearly the

01:14:58.439 --> 01:15:00.199
consultation could have been done

01:15:00.279 --> 01:15:02.359
probably better from the start by

01:15:02.439 --> 01:15:04.880
including residents as part of the

01:15:04.960 --> 01:15:06.640
initial consultation and development of

01:15:06.720 --> 01:15:08.960
the plan rather than get to the draft

01:15:09.039 --> 01:15:12.000
form we are where we are at the moment

01:15:12.079 --> 01:15:14.600
however we have a commitment to all

01:15:14.680 --> 01:15:17.119
of the residents to come along to listen

01:15:17.199 --> 01:15:19.880
to actively listen and to then have

01:15:19.960 --> 01:15:22.399
officers take that information away and

01:15:22.479 --> 01:15:25.359
come back to the council or group with

01:15:25.439 --> 01:15:28.359
 the response to all of the questions

01:15:28.439 --> 01:15:31.399
and submissions that we' have heard with

01:15:31.479 --> 01:15:34.079
opportunity for other options to be

01:15:34.159 --> 01:15:36.359
considered  before councilors

01:15:36.439 --> 01:15:38.399
ultimately make a decision where they

01:15:38.479 --> 01:15:40.560
have enough information where they don't

01:15:40.640 --> 01:15:42.119
whether it's adopted whether it's not

01:15:42.199 --> 01:15:44.479
whether there are other items that

01:15:44.560 --> 01:15:46.760
are then sought director

01:15:46.840 --> 01:15:49.119
Wilson  thank you Mr may I nothing

01:15:49.199 --> 01:15:51.399
further to add to your summary comments

01:15:51.479 --> 01:15:53.319
there thank you very much thank you

01:15:53.399 --> 01:15:55.960
thank you m Lon so that brings us to the

01:15:56.039 --> 01:15:58.239
end of the questions from the community

01:15:58.319 --> 01:16:00.680
this evening thank you very much for all

01:16:00.760 --> 01:16:02.680
of those questions to those that came in

01:16:02.760 --> 01:16:05.720
to speak with Council and to those 

01:16:05.800 --> 01:16:07.359
that Sim online councelor

01:16:07.439 --> 01:16:09.319
Maloney  yeah thanks I know that's

01:16:09.399 --> 01:16:11.119
sort of the formal conclusion of

01:16:11.199 --> 01:16:12.600
question time but just following on from

01:16:12.680 --> 01:16:14.439
that  Mr B my question is probably

01:16:14.520 --> 01:16:16.239
through you to the planning director to

01:16:16.319 --> 01:16:18.199
director Robinson

01:16:18.279 --> 01:16:20.479
when do you consider residents

01:16:20.560 --> 01:16:23.119
directly affected so you know I guess

01:16:23.199 --> 01:16:24.199
this comes to when do you bring

01:16:24.279 --> 01:16:27.800
residents in to the the detailed

01:16:27.880 --> 01:16:30.279
conversation I hope that this is a

01:16:30.359 --> 01:16:32.840
good learning experience for us that we

01:16:32.920 --> 01:16:35.039
even at Master planning stage see not

01:16:35.119 --> 01:16:36.479
just the sports clubs is directly

01:16:36.560 --> 01:16:38.239
affected but those around them are

01:16:38.319 --> 01:16:42.079
directly affected is it does are our

01:16:42.159 --> 01:16:44.520
planning Provisions triggered when we

01:16:44.600 --> 01:16:46.720
actually draw up a plan for a hockey

01:16:46.800 --> 01:16:48.960
oval is that when you would formally

01:16:49.039 --> 01:16:51.119
consider consultation with residents at

01:16:51.199 --> 01:16:54.239
an earlier stage director Robertson

01:16:54.319 --> 01:16:55.920
through Mr Mayor thank you for the

01:16:56.000 --> 01:16:58.119
question Council Maloney when we

01:16:58.199 --> 01:17:02.319
consider it setbacks we there has

01:17:02.399 --> 01:17:04.439
to be a consideration of the zones and

01:17:04.520 --> 01:17:07.479
in this case it's a a public park and

01:17:07.560 --> 01:17:10.920
recreation zone so there's the master

01:17:11.000 --> 01:17:14.079
plan isn't a planning document or

01:17:14.159 --> 01:17:17.600
statutory planning document but

01:17:17.680 --> 01:17:20.199
setbacks are considered off the top of

01:17:20.279 --> 01:17:23.399
my head if you're greater than 30 m you

01:17:23.479 --> 01:17:26.199
actually meet the provisions or and then

01:17:26.279 --> 01:17:27.800
if you're not then there's a public

01:17:27.880 --> 01:17:30.960
notice requirement and a setback

01:17:31.039 --> 01:17:33.680
includes a road a path or something else

01:17:33.760 --> 01:17:36.000
but if you wanted more detail I'd

01:17:36.079 --> 01:17:37.760
probably have to take it on notice to

01:17:37.840 --> 01:17:40.239
understand the context yeah thank you

01:17:40.319 --> 01:17:42.720
very much councel

01:17:42.800 --> 01:17:46.000
coats  yes just a similar follow-up

01:17:46.079 --> 01:17:48.640
question in terms of the consultation

01:17:48.720 --> 01:17:50.960
just wondering and in taking on board

01:17:51.039 --> 01:17:53.239
all of the feedback and the questions

01:17:53.319 --> 01:17:56.640
from and concerns from residents just

01:17:56.720 --> 01:17:58.760
wondering if if this could have been

01:17:58.840 --> 01:18:00.880
picked up as part of the community

01:18:00.960 --> 01:18:04.720
consultation framework instead  or or

01:18:04.800 --> 01:18:06.800
whether there's some kind of gap for us

01:18:06.880 --> 01:18:09.479
in terms of feedback to take on board

01:18:09.560 --> 01:18:12.720
and learning for for future plans as

01:18:12.800 --> 01:18:15.520
well so similar similar to those other

01:18:15.600 --> 01:18:17.600
questions yeah thank you Council coach I

01:18:17.680 --> 01:18:19.600
certainly think there is some learnings

01:18:19.680 --> 01:18:21.640
for us when doing consultation and we

01:18:21.720 --> 01:18:23.880
should always be open to learning and

01:18:23.960 --> 01:18:25.960
improving our processes than just saying

01:18:26.039 --> 01:18:27.840
that's how we've always done it I think

01:18:27.920 --> 01:18:29.399
what we've seen tonight is a highlight

01:18:29.479 --> 01:18:31.880
of including the broader group as well

01:18:31.960 --> 01:18:33.479
those that are neighbors to it and

01:18:33.560 --> 01:18:35.000
making sure that becomes part of our

01:18:35.079 --> 01:18:37.199
process in the future there I'm not sure

01:18:37.279 --> 01:18:38.319
if there's an office that wants to

01:18:38.399 --> 01:18:42.279
respond further to that Mr CEO

01:18:42.359 --> 01:18:44.880
maybe yeah through you Mr Mayor and

01:18:44.960 --> 01:18:47.760
thank you Council coats for for that

01:18:47.840 --> 01:18:50.600
question and I think councel Mal Maloney

01:18:50.680 --> 01:18:52.039
sort of touched on it a little bit

01:18:52.119 --> 01:18:55.479
before yeah quite often it is a a C sort

01:18:55.560 --> 01:18:58.439
of conversation so in in this instance

01:18:58.520 --> 01:19:01.600
and we certainly take the feedback of

01:19:01.680 --> 01:19:04.640
the the community on on board and I'm

01:19:04.720 --> 01:19:06.880
I'm sure there will be more conversation

01:19:06.960 --> 01:19:09.720
on Tuesday Tuesday night for us to

01:19:09.800 --> 01:19:13.359
take on on board you know in some

01:19:13.439 --> 01:19:16.439
situations we we will develop a a draft

01:19:16.520 --> 01:19:18.560
so there is something for people to to

01:19:18.640 --> 01:19:21.279
comment on and then in in some

01:19:21.359 --> 01:19:23.840
situations we we will include a broader

01:19:23.920 --> 01:19:25.439
broader audience when we're when when

01:19:25.520 --> 01:19:28.319
we're Consulting consultation is not

01:19:28.399 --> 01:19:30.560
an an exact science by any any stretch

01:19:30.640 --> 01:19:33.039
of the imagination but this is

01:19:33.119 --> 01:19:35.920
certainly highlighted you know sometimes

01:19:36.000 --> 01:19:38.680
when we are doing strategic work it's

01:19:38.760 --> 01:19:40.840
better to bring people in in the

01:19:40.920 --> 01:19:44.079
development stage as opposed to

01:19:44.159 --> 01:19:46.760
bringing them in once you've got a

01:19:46.840 --> 01:19:48.800
draft but I think the most important

01:19:48.880 --> 01:19:50.840
message tonight is the whole point of

01:19:50.920 --> 01:19:53.319
putting the draft out to the community

01:19:53.399 --> 01:19:55.760
was to get that broad

01:19:55.840 --> 01:19:58.520
consultation we we we're getting that

01:19:58.600 --> 01:20:01.119
and as the mayor and all the councilors

01:20:01.199 --> 01:20:02.800
have have suggested that that will

01:20:02.880 --> 01:20:04.960
genuinely be taken on board and we've

01:20:05.039 --> 01:20:06.600
got lots of examples of recent

01:20:06.680 --> 01:20:08.800
consultation that we we've done and

01:20:08.880 --> 01:20:10.680
we've actually adapted strategies and

01:20:10.760 --> 01:20:13.319
policies and plans as a result of the

01:20:13.399 --> 01:20:18.000
feedback you know officers we will

01:20:18.079 --> 01:20:20.279
prepare it you know in in consultation

01:20:20.359 --> 01:20:21.840
with the sporting bodies and the state

01:20:21.920 --> 01:20:24.279
bodies  and and they will have a you

01:20:24.359 --> 01:20:27.000
know a a particular a particular View

01:20:27.079 --> 01:20:29.520
and you know so many people will have a

01:20:29.600 --> 01:20:31.439
different view of you know where the

01:20:31.520 --> 01:20:34.079
right place is for for the hockey pitch

01:20:34.159 --> 01:20:35.600
or whatever it might be that we're we're

01:20:35.680 --> 01:20:37.159
Consulting on and we've got some some

01:20:37.239 --> 01:20:39.279
great great feedback tonight that we can

01:20:39.359 --> 01:20:40.960
that we can take on board and genuinely

01:20:41.039 --> 01:20:43.640
genuinely consider you know you know

01:20:43.720 --> 01:20:47.840
it is an incredible part of Ballarat and

01:20:47.920 --> 01:20:49.640
you know I'm sure many of the the

01:20:49.720 --> 01:20:51.720
residents tonight you know live there

01:20:51.800 --> 01:20:53.960
because of that that park being there

01:20:54.039 --> 01:20:55.199
and we we need need to take that on

01:20:55.279 --> 01:20:56.520
board and try and find where is the

01:20:56.600 --> 01:20:58.560
right location we know we need to build

01:20:58.640 --> 01:21:00.000
another hockey pitch and we know we'll

01:21:00.079 --> 01:21:02.279
probably need to build another one in in

01:21:02.359 --> 01:21:05.199
in in time so we need to have a vision

01:21:05.279 --> 01:21:06.439
around where that happens and whether

01:21:06.520 --> 01:21:07.800
that's Prince of Wales or whether that's

01:21:07.880 --> 01:21:10.039
somewhere else let's let's work with the

01:21:10.119 --> 01:21:11.319
community let's work with the sporting

01:21:11.399 --> 01:21:13.079
bodies and try and find what the right

01:21:13.159 --> 01:21:17.399
solution to that is thank you Mr CEO

01:21:17.479 --> 01:21:19.880
councelor Johnson thank you Mr Mayor

01:21:19.960 --> 01:21:22.920
just to respond to the last resident who

01:21:23.000 --> 01:21:24.520
asked a question and to all of the

01:21:24.600 --> 01:21:26.199
residents that attended tonight and

01:21:26.279 --> 01:21:28.880
provided questions we've absolutely

01:21:28.960 --> 01:21:30.960
heard you tonight we understand your

01:21:31.039 --> 01:21:34.359
concerns this stage that we're at now is

01:21:34.439 --> 01:21:36.319
the consultation period so it's your

01:21:36.399 --> 01:21:38.119
chance to provide feedback and it's our

01:21:38.199 --> 01:21:39.239
chance to

01:21:39.319 --> 01:21:43.000
listen  I would like to thank and and

01:21:43.079 --> 01:21:44.760
congratulate you all on coming in

01:21:44.840 --> 01:21:46.359
tonight to speak to us because you've

01:21:46.439 --> 01:21:49.039
got your message through loud and clear

01:21:49.119 --> 01:21:50.760
but just to reassure you we're all

01:21:50.840 --> 01:21:52.880
here because we want the best for our

01:21:52.960 --> 01:21:55.119
city so

01:21:55.199 --> 01:21:57.159
 I I hope you understand that it

01:21:57.239 --> 01:21:59.960
wasn't our intention not to come to

01:22:00.039 --> 01:22:02.760
you early and in fact

01:22:02.840 --> 01:22:06.680
I  I felt that the consultation we

01:22:06.760 --> 01:22:08.600
undertook was was really thorough at the

01:22:08.680 --> 01:22:10.640
time that we voted on it in this chamber

01:22:10.720 --> 01:22:12.840
but obviously we missed one key

01:22:12.920 --> 01:22:15.680
demographic and I look forward to

01:22:15.760 --> 01:22:18.039
reading your submissions in response

01:22:18.119 --> 01:22:20.680
to the  draft master plan as I will

01:22:20.760 --> 01:22:23.159
certainly inform the way forward thank

01:22:23.239 --> 01:22:25.600
you councelor Johnson thank you all

01:22:25.680 --> 01:22:27.960
councils move on to officer reports item

01:22:28.039 --> 01:22:30.920
seven is the chief executive officer

01:22:31.000 --> 01:22:33.920
report is there a councelor willing to

01:22:34.000 --> 01:22:36.560
move the report counselor McIntosh Happ

01:22:36.640 --> 01:22:38.560
to move is there a second of counselor

01:22:38.640 --> 01:22:40.760
councelor Harris councelor McIntosh you

01:22:40.840 --> 01:22:42.000
have the

01:22:42.079 --> 01:22:46.439
floor thanks very much Mr Mayor I'm

01:22:46.520 --> 01:22:48.079
more than comfortable to move this

01:22:48.159 --> 01:22:50.159
report I just thought I'll touch on a

01:22:50.239 --> 01:22:52.479
couple of the items that were really

01:22:52.560 --> 01:22:55.439
quite important as you heard me say many

01:22:55.520 --> 01:22:57.319
times before this is always a very

01:22:57.399 --> 01:23:00.239
important report it is a summary of

01:23:00.319 --> 01:23:02.399
significant work and and much work that

01:23:02.479 --> 01:23:04.640
we have discussed in different forms

01:23:04.720 --> 01:23:07.479
through the chamber  on previous

01:23:07.560 --> 01:23:09.960
occasions but the community satisfaction

01:23:10.039 --> 01:23:13.199
survey results you know 72% average

01:23:13.279 --> 01:23:17.960
Plus or or above is is not bad and

01:23:18.039 --> 01:23:20.520
equally it does highlight the importance

01:23:20.600 --> 01:23:22.159
and the concern from the community

01:23:22.239 --> 01:23:24.640
around sealed roads for instance and

01:23:24.720 --> 01:23:26.560
that's probably not much of a surprise

01:23:26.640 --> 01:23:29.680
to any of us we'd love to see a hell

01:23:29.760 --> 01:23:31.319
of a lot more money coming through from

01:23:31.399 --> 01:23:33.039
state and federal government and and you

01:23:33.119 --> 01:23:34.760
often hear me talk about that fair share

01:23:34.840 --> 01:23:36.600
of taxes and I don't think we get enough

01:23:36.680 --> 01:23:39.199
and I think that if we had a much fairer

01:23:39.279 --> 01:23:43.079
share of of that tax dollar that

01:23:43.159 --> 01:23:46.159
would take some pressure off  the

01:23:46.239 --> 01:23:48.399
other requirements of council yes roads

01:23:48.479 --> 01:23:49.760
rates and rubbish are absolutely

01:23:49.840 --> 01:23:51.960
imperative for us and and in this

01:23:52.039 --> 01:23:54.159
particular instance it does highlight

01:23:54.239 --> 01:23:57.960
how how absolutely important roads

01:23:58.039 --> 01:24:00.720
are  so I think it's it's also great

01:24:00.800 --> 01:24:02.399
to see that that's highlighted in the

01:24:02.479 --> 01:24:04.439
report as well we need to recognize

01:24:04.520 --> 01:24:06.560
the challenges and that helps us make

01:24:06.640 --> 01:24:09.399
better decisions in future Council plans

01:24:09.479 --> 01:24:13.920
as well the local Art Trail on

01:24:14.000 --> 01:24:16.199
display around the city is great  I

01:24:16.279 --> 01:24:17.680
think this is an area that we've

01:24:17.760 --> 01:24:19.560
consistently done better at over the

01:24:19.640 --> 01:24:23.000
years  it's an area I I really do

01:24:23.079 --> 01:24:24.800
believe Visual and Performing Arts has

01:24:24.880 --> 01:24:27.800
missed out a lot in previous decades and

01:24:27.880 --> 01:24:30.119
I do think that in this Council term and

01:24:30.199 --> 01:24:32.000
our previous Council term we've started

01:24:32.079 --> 01:24:34.880
to pick up in that space  so I love

01:24:34.960 --> 01:24:38.119
seeing references to not just Arts

01:24:38.199 --> 01:24:40.319
Trails but all of the different Arts

01:24:40.399 --> 01:24:42.000
projects that we have been working on

01:24:42.079 --> 01:24:44.720
and there are many I know that  a

01:24:44.800 --> 01:24:46.399
couple of the counselors did get out to

01:24:46.479 --> 01:24:48.920
the rizle park upgrades and there was a

01:24:49.000 --> 01:24:51.079
significant trail of cars I was busy

01:24:51.159 --> 01:24:52.640
that day wasn't able to get out there

01:24:52.720 --> 01:24:56.680
but I was going and saw a power of

01:24:56.760 --> 01:24:59.239
people going along to it which again

01:24:59.319 --> 01:25:00.960
says how important that particular

01:25:01.039 --> 01:25:04.359
project is the subas Paul Community Hub

01:25:04.439 --> 01:25:07.000
speaks for itself you know to get it's

01:25:07.079 --> 01:25:09.920
almost it's not five five from Council

01:25:10.000 --> 01:25:12.159
five mill but four and a half from

01:25:12.239 --> 01:25:13.319
federal government and four and a half

01:25:13.399 --> 01:25:15.079
from state government this is a project

01:25:15.159 --> 01:25:16.640
that we've also been talking about for

01:25:16.720 --> 01:25:18.279
many years and we know how important it

01:25:18.359 --> 01:25:20.560
is we know how important our community

01:25:20.640 --> 01:25:23.800
hubs are and  each time there's been

01:25:23.880 --> 01:25:25.479
any opportunity for Community

01:25:25.560 --> 01:25:28.600
consultation involvement contribution to

01:25:28.680 --> 01:25:31.000
proposed future plans there's been a

01:25:31.079 --> 01:25:33.920
significant turnout so it does does

01:25:34.000 --> 01:25:37.119
speak for itself the roads

01:25:37.199 --> 01:25:39.399
Investments for safer roads the Federal

01:25:39.479 --> 01:25:41.600
Government funding that's come through I

01:25:41.680 --> 01:25:43.760
think there wouldn't be many people

01:25:43.840 --> 01:25:47.800
in our community  that would  not

01:25:47.880 --> 01:25:50.600
consider the significance of that safety

01:25:50.680 --> 01:25:53.840
is is imperative and black spot funding

01:25:53.920 --> 01:25:55.840
over the use has been great for us and

01:25:55.920 --> 01:25:58.840
and it obviously shows in in the CEO's

01:25:58.920 --> 01:26:01.800
report how important this is curbside

01:26:01.880 --> 01:26:04.039
collection the Fogo we're doing a great

01:26:04.119 --> 01:26:06.600
job in in our environmental areas across

01:26:06.680 --> 01:26:07.880
the board there's many different

01:26:07.960 --> 01:26:10.119
projects that have been stepped up and

01:26:10.199 --> 01:26:11.880
there's many people in our community

01:26:11.960 --> 01:26:15.560
that are  more aware more engaged and

01:26:15.640 --> 01:26:17.960
and being part of or participating in

01:26:18.039 --> 01:26:20.079
this area in a better way so I think the

01:26:20.159 --> 01:26:23.039
work of council goes much further than

01:26:23.119 --> 01:26:25.479
just the project s that are being

01:26:25.560 --> 01:26:28.640
referenced in the CEO's report it

01:26:28.720 --> 01:26:31.159
goes on and talks about libraries the

01:26:31.239 --> 01:26:34.720
environmental report and

01:26:34.800 --> 01:26:38.840
 the even events the Junior sports

01:26:38.920 --> 01:26:40.640
events we know brings lots of other

01:26:40.720 --> 01:26:42.880
families along it's a number of

01:26:42.960 --> 01:26:45.319
nights and that means a lot to our

01:26:45.399 --> 01:26:49.239
Hospitality communities and also the

01:26:49.319 --> 01:26:52.439
Vic relay competitions in a similar

01:26:52.520 --> 01:26:54.920
manner the numbers that those sorts of

01:26:55.000 --> 01:26:57.119
events bring to town are significant so

01:26:57.199 --> 01:26:58.920
it's an economic impact but it's also

01:26:59.000 --> 01:27:00.760
about health and wellness it's about

01:27:00.840 --> 01:27:03.439
engagement in our community and we know

01:27:03.520 --> 01:27:05.920
that economic impact is not the only

01:27:06.000 --> 01:27:07.560
impact that matters we know that that

01:27:07.640 --> 01:27:11.000
social cultural emotional engagement

01:27:11.079 --> 01:27:14.079
is is very important as well so through

01:27:14.159 --> 01:27:16.199
you Mr Mayor I absolutely support the

01:27:16.279 --> 01:27:18.039
CEO's report as it's written and I

01:27:18.119 --> 01:27:20.279
endorse the fact that it does cover the

01:27:20.359 --> 01:27:21.800
physical intellectual emotional and

01:27:21.880 --> 01:27:23.520
social parts of our community not just

01:27:23.600 --> 01:27:25.960
one arm we're not just about roads rates

01:27:26.039 --> 01:27:27.399
and rubbish there's so much more that

01:27:27.479 --> 01:27:29.439
our community expect us to do thank you

01:27:29.520 --> 01:27:32.359
councelor McIntosh councelor Harris as

01:27:32.439 --> 01:27:35.199
second Oran councelor Eddie speaking for

01:27:35.279 --> 01:27:36.960
the motion or against the motion just an

01:27:37.039 --> 01:27:39.399
observation speaking for the motion

01:27:39.479 --> 01:27:41.159
and I don't want to go through all the

01:27:41.239 --> 01:27:42.640
detail which is well documented in the

01:27:42.720 --> 01:27:44.359
report but I just wanted to make the

01:27:44.439 --> 01:27:48.920
observation that the 14  points of

01:27:49.000 --> 01:27:51.479
reference in the report  they're all

01:27:51.560 --> 01:27:53.479
the priorities that we hear weekly

01:27:53.560 --> 01:27:55.159
regularly the community from officers

01:27:55.239 --> 01:27:57.159
and even from ourselves so the strong

01:27:57.239 --> 01:27:59.680
focus on the community and the basic 

01:27:59.760 --> 01:28:01.319
operations of local government are very

01:28:01.399 --> 01:28:02.640
well highlighted and I think this

01:28:02.720 --> 01:28:04.359
particular report encapsulates all that

01:28:04.439 --> 01:28:06.600
so congratulations thank you Council

01:28:06.680 --> 01:28:08.399
Eddie any Council wishing to speak

01:28:08.479 --> 01:28:11.199
against the motion for the motion put

01:28:11.279 --> 01:28:13.640
the motion all those in favor the motion

01:28:13.720 --> 01:28:17.119
is carried Council item excuse me Mr

01:28:17.199 --> 01:28:19.000
Mayor  yes counc coat is it possible

01:28:19.079 --> 01:28:20.600
to have a comfort break before we do the

01:28:20.680 --> 01:28:24.199
substantive part of the the you move

01:28:24.279 --> 01:28:25.920
break seconder councelor Harris all

01:28:26.000 --> 01:28:28.199
those in favor counselors motion is

01:28:28.279 --> 01:28:29.800
carried we'll have a 5 minute Comfort

01:28:29.880 --> 01:28:32.560
break

01:28:33.640 --> 01:28:35.920
you thank you councilors we are back

01:28:36.000 --> 01:28:38.239
live motion to resume standing orders

01:28:38.319 --> 01:28:40.279
moved councelor Taylor seconded

01:28:40.359 --> 01:28:42.640
councelor Johnson all those in favor

01:28:42.720 --> 01:28:44.920
against the motion is carried

01:28:45.000 --> 01:28:48.439
councilor's item 8.1 as we move into

01:28:48.520 --> 01:28:51.159
officer reports is the airport strategic

01:28:51.239 --> 01:28:55.000
and master plan final report

01:28:55.079 --> 01:28:57.880
McIntosh  through you Mr Mayor I've

01:28:57.960 --> 01:29:02.279
sent through to governance a an extra

01:29:02.359 --> 01:29:05.319
item to be considered

01:29:05.399 --> 01:29:09.119
12.2  if  you could cons have a look

01:29:09.199 --> 01:29:11.000
at that whether governance can put it up

01:29:11.079 --> 01:29:14.479
and if I forg got a second with the

01:29:14.560 --> 01:29:17.600
12.2 so Council MC given that you are

01:29:17.680 --> 01:29:20.000
hoping to move the motion you may

01:29:20.079 --> 01:29:21.760
include that and if it gets a second of

01:29:21.840 --> 01:29:24.640
that becomes the motion so

01:29:24.720 --> 01:29:26.479
I'm if you just want to talk through

01:29:26.560 --> 01:29:29.079
sorry I haven't so just read out what

01:29:29.159 --> 01:29:31.399
that motion is if you don't

01:29:31.479 --> 01:29:33.760
mind  through you Mr Mayor it is

01:29:33.840 --> 01:29:35.880
emailed around to council

01:29:35.960 --> 01:29:39.399
laws to sorry I have it now y I emailed

01:29:39.479 --> 01:29:40.880
it to governance as well so I'm just

01:29:40.960 --> 01:29:42.800
wondering if that could be put up on the

01:29:42.880 --> 01:29:45.279
screen so council is that report or the

01:29:45.359 --> 01:29:47.359
inclusion councelor McIntosh is looking

01:29:47.439 --> 01:29:50.479
for item 12.2 bring a report back to

01:29:50.560 --> 01:29:52.359
council to ensure the Heritage airport

01:29:52.439 --> 01:29:55.079
Huts Precinct and Airport heritage plans

01:29:55.159 --> 01:29:57.359
are cross reference that's your

01:29:57.439 --> 01:29:59.359
recommendation Council Macintosh thank

01:29:59.439 --> 01:30:01.680
you very much so that's 12.1 as it's

01:30:01.760 --> 01:30:05.000
written 12.2 as you've just read  so

01:30:05.079 --> 01:30:09.720
for Council laws just to explain the

01:30:09.800 --> 01:30:12.119
off the recommendation and that slight

01:30:12.199 --> 01:30:13.920
variation

01:30:14.000 --> 01:30:16.319
if you're introducing your motion

01:30:16.399 --> 01:30:18.039
Council McIntosh which you can do in the

01:30:18.119 --> 01:30:19.760
explanation for that then I'll get you a

01:30:19.840 --> 01:30:21.800
second up and then you right to speak

01:30:21.880 --> 01:30:23.399
I'll introduce the motion and then you

01:30:23.479 --> 01:30:25.560
can ask for seconder so in

01:30:25.640 --> 01:30:27.880
introducing the motion the officers

01:30:27.960 --> 01:30:29.399
have done a significant amount of work

01:30:29.479 --> 01:30:32.720
and so has the airport Community the

01:30:32.800 --> 01:30:35.359
aviators business people and other

01:30:35.439 --> 01:30:37.680
community groups that are represented

01:30:37.760 --> 01:30:40.600
out at the airport over  a decade and

01:30:40.680 --> 01:30:43.640
a half of work as many counselors

01:30:43.720 --> 01:30:45.760
would be aware there's been a number of

01:30:45.840 --> 01:30:48.560
Master plans of  feasability

01:30:48.640 --> 01:30:51.000
studies of recommendations that have

01:30:51.079 --> 01:30:52.560
come through this Council chamber in

01:30:52.640 --> 01:30:54.960
many different forms there's been

01:30:55.039 --> 01:30:56.760
significant master plan work that's

01:30:56.840 --> 01:30:59.399
taken a just need to contain it to those

01:30:59.479 --> 01:31:01.520
Heritage elements and then I'll get you

01:31:01.600 --> 01:31:04.279
a second so the second part of it 

01:31:04.359 --> 01:31:06.479
I'll speak to it further then but the

01:31:06.560 --> 01:31:08.760
second part of this recommendation is to

01:31:08.840 --> 01:31:11.720
ensure that we have as a council an

01:31:11.800 --> 01:31:14.720
opportunity to consider the other part

01:31:14.800 --> 01:31:17.880
of the airport Precinct we know that the

01:31:17.960 --> 01:31:19.920
council officers at the moment are doing

01:31:20.000 --> 01:31:23.039
some feasibility work on how for

01:31:23.119 --> 01:31:25.359
instance the 30 two Air Force Huts

01:31:25.439 --> 01:31:27.640
might look into the future we equally

01:31:27.720 --> 01:31:30.239
know that there is a Heritage overlay

01:31:30.319 --> 01:31:33.439
and so the airport Precinct is protected

01:31:33.520 --> 01:31:36.520
to a certain degree but I just felt

01:31:36.600 --> 01:31:39.439
that in this particular master plan that

01:31:39.520 --> 01:31:41.800
we needed to know even though it's a

01:31:41.880 --> 01:31:43.640
separate piece of work that they both

01:31:43.720 --> 01:31:46.760
talk to each other so it's simply 

01:31:46.840 --> 01:31:49.319
about making sure that as we move

01:31:49.399 --> 01:31:51.520
forward we're not just looking at the

01:31:51.600 --> 01:31:54.840
airport business strategy that we have

01:31:54.920 --> 01:31:57.239
an opportunity to understand what the

01:31:57.319 --> 01:31:59.279
community component of the airport

01:31:59.359 --> 01:32:01.479
Precinct will look like as well if I

01:32:01.560 --> 01:32:02.880
have a second or I'm happy to speak

01:32:02.960 --> 01:32:05.640
further thank you councelor

01:32:05.720 --> 01:32:07.880
McIntosh a sorry councelor Malone you

01:32:07.960 --> 01:32:09.079
had your light on first is that to

01:32:09.159 --> 01:32:10.319
second or a

01:32:10.399 --> 01:32:12.199
question a bit of

01:32:12.279 --> 01:32:16.680
both so Mr may I guess my I'm I

01:32:16.760 --> 01:32:18.439
think I get where Council MOS is heading

01:32:18.520 --> 01:32:20.199
with this in which case I'm I'm happy to

01:32:20.279 --> 01:32:23.600
Second it but in doing so I sort of need

01:32:23.680 --> 01:32:26.039
to Al asked a question though

01:32:26.119 --> 01:32:28.680
my understanding of this report

01:32:28.760 --> 01:32:30.800
though this master plan is that it it

01:32:30.880 --> 01:32:34.279
doesn't cut into it it scope does not

01:32:34.359 --> 01:32:36.439
include the Heritage Precinct of the

01:32:36.520 --> 01:32:40.279
Huts is that is that right to which

01:32:40.359 --> 01:32:43.239
director so yeah okay all right thank

01:32:43.319 --> 01:32:46.319
you director

01:32:48.279 --> 01:32:50.520
Dary sorry councilor Harris you able to

01:32:50.600 --> 01:32:53.800
just cancel  thank you dor D go

01:32:53.880 --> 01:32:55.239
thank you Council miny yes that is

01:32:55.319 --> 01:32:57.399
correct that the scope of the project 

01:32:57.479 --> 01:32:59.560
of the master plan is restricted to 

01:32:59.640 --> 01:33:02.640
the area that excludes the community

01:33:02.720 --> 01:33:04.720
side no worries and I thought that was

01:33:04.800 --> 01:33:06.399
the case and and Council McIntosh has

01:33:06.479 --> 01:33:07.800
has outlined that as well so thank you

01:33:07.880 --> 01:33:11.039
so given that  Council mha's Amendment

01:33:11.119 --> 01:33:14.159
to the motion is to consider the

01:33:14.239 --> 01:33:16.119
basically the two precincts and to

01:33:16.199 --> 01:33:17.760
cross reference the two precincts the

01:33:17.840 --> 01:33:21.800
Heritage part and the substantive

01:33:21.880 --> 01:33:24.239
master plan section before us tonight

01:33:24.319 --> 01:33:25.840
that makes sense I'm happy to second

01:33:25.920 --> 01:33:28.159
that motion so you're happy to Second

01:33:28.239 --> 01:33:30.359
yep y thank you councilor Maloney

01:33:30.439 --> 01:33:32.279
Council Harris did you have a

01:33:32.359 --> 01:33:34.840
question yes Mr May it's probably

01:33:34.920 --> 01:33:38.079
pertinent to the Council mcintosh's

01:33:38.159 --> 01:33:40.840
amendment that I wasn't sure within

01:33:40.920 --> 01:33:42.560
when I was reading it myself I was

01:33:42.640 --> 01:33:45.720
confused about with the The bman Hanger

01:33:45.800 --> 01:33:49.279
the you know recre the recreation of

01:33:49.359 --> 01:33:52.239
another one and the relative compromise

01:33:52.319 --> 01:33:54.840
to the historical Ric of the what's

01:33:54.920 --> 01:33:56.800
already there there seemed to be as

01:33:56.880 --> 01:33:58.319
though that that had been resolved

01:33:58.399 --> 01:34:01.279
within the the proposal and I wasn't

01:34:01.359 --> 01:34:04.199
sure how What mechanisms we' used

01:34:04.279 --> 01:34:06.680
internally to resolve that if someone

01:34:06.760 --> 01:34:08.880
could just make that a bit clearer for

01:34:08.960 --> 01:34:10.960
me that might help too yeah for sure

01:34:11.039 --> 01:34:14.119
thank you Council Harris director

01:34:14.199 --> 01:34:17.159
Dary yeah thank you Council Harris so

01:34:17.239 --> 01:34:18.840
yeah the bman hanger the the original

01:34:18.920 --> 01:34:22.439
draft proposed that the hanger which

01:34:22.520 --> 01:34:25.880
has direct access onto the apron so the

01:34:25.960 --> 01:34:28.119
this one of the primary focuses of the

01:34:28.199 --> 01:34:30.439
draft of the master plan itself is to

01:34:30.520 --> 01:34:31.640
look at you know commercial

01:34:31.720 --> 01:34:34.039
opportunities and having direct access

01:34:34.119 --> 01:34:37.239
onto the apron of course was

01:34:37.319 --> 01:34:39.920
something that's attractive that may be

01:34:40.000 --> 01:34:42.359
of commercial interest down the track

01:34:42.439 --> 01:34:44.520
then speaking to certain stakeholder

01:34:44.600 --> 01:34:47.880
groups it became clear that the

01:34:47.960 --> 01:34:50.399
building the huts and the Bellman hanger

01:34:50.479 --> 01:34:54.720
itself may also hold of course it it

01:34:54.800 --> 01:34:56.720
has Victorian Heritage protection it

01:34:56.800 --> 01:34:59.319
also has City bat overlay protection

01:34:59.399 --> 01:35:02.840
Heritage overlay so it may be an asset

01:35:02.920 --> 01:35:05.840
in itself to look at as a tourism asset

01:35:05.920 --> 01:35:07.439
might that also have some commercial

01:35:07.520 --> 01:35:09.600
value for instance but then again it's

01:35:09.680 --> 01:35:11.960
also has you know the Heritage value in

01:35:12.039 --> 01:35:15.239
itself is worth something considering so

01:35:15.319 --> 01:35:18.840
the master plan is suggesting that no

01:35:18.920 --> 01:35:21.000
one emphasis be given to anything at

01:35:21.079 --> 01:35:23.600
this point rather that it'd be open to

01:35:23.680 --> 01:35:26.520
to look at all opportunities for that 

01:35:26.600 --> 01:35:29.039
contained Precinct that's under Heritage

01:35:29.119 --> 01:35:31.199
protection to look at all

01:35:31.279 --> 01:35:33.600
options thank you very much so it's it's

01:35:33.680 --> 01:35:35.920
presented I I must have misunderstood

01:35:36.000 --> 01:35:37.520
when I was reading it so that's an

01:35:37.600 --> 01:35:40.560
optional part and as councelor McIntosh

01:35:40.640 --> 01:35:43.319
says once we've got some clarity about

01:35:43.399 --> 01:35:47.319
the historical overlay that might

01:35:47.399 --> 01:35:50.520
help resolve that but it's not

01:35:50.600 --> 01:35:52.479
resolved within the report the report I

01:35:52.560 --> 01:35:55.399
just I misunderstood that yeah thank you

01:35:55.479 --> 01:35:57.319
councelor Harris I think that's

01:35:57.399 --> 01:35:59.640
clarified IT director Darcy councelor

01:35:59.720 --> 01:36:01.239
mckintosh you have the

01:36:01.319 --> 01:36:04.439
floor  thanks very much Mr Mayor as

01:36:04.520 --> 01:36:07.239
I started off referencing over 15

01:36:07.319 --> 01:36:08.960
years of work has happened out here as

01:36:09.039 --> 01:36:11.520
many people in our community know these

01:36:11.600 --> 01:36:15.239
discussions happened before bew was

01:36:15.319 --> 01:36:17.920
even thought about we were standing on

01:36:18.000 --> 01:36:20.640
the airport back in 2008 on the airstrip

01:36:20.720 --> 01:36:23.560
and we could see where it stopped

01:36:23.640 --> 01:36:25.680
because the road cuts across it and and

01:36:25.760 --> 01:36:27.359
since then there's been a

01:36:27.439 --> 01:36:30.520
significant  package of works not just

01:36:30.600 --> 01:36:32.800
at the airport the Ballarat West

01:36:32.880 --> 01:36:34.760
employment Zone Precinct over $300

01:36:34.840 --> 01:36:38.800
million of private public local state

01:36:38.880 --> 01:36:41.840
and federal funding to develop much of

01:36:41.920 --> 01:36:44.720
the facility that we see it includes the

01:36:44.800 --> 01:36:47.359
big roundabout it includes Link Road it

01:36:47.439 --> 01:36:49.760
includes  private businesses like LD

01:36:49.840 --> 01:36:51.680
duck and many others and and the reason

01:36:51.760 --> 01:36:54.479
for that whole Precinct is because there

01:36:54.560 --> 01:36:57.600
right beyond the airport is a railway

01:36:57.680 --> 01:37:01.000
line and a freeway the opportunity to

01:37:01.079 --> 01:37:03.640
connect us to Port and it's about

01:37:03.720 --> 01:37:05.800
Road Rail and air so there's a

01:37:05.880 --> 01:37:08.399
significant future for our community if

01:37:08.479 --> 01:37:11.159
we deal with this area right it's been a

01:37:11.239 --> 01:37:14.479
difficult one and it's taken a number of

01:37:14.560 --> 01:37:17.960
different Council terms  for us to get

01:37:18.039 --> 01:37:21.600
to this particular space some of the

01:37:21.680 --> 01:37:23.159
 Master plans that we've looked at

01:37:23.239 --> 01:37:25.640
over versions of have been very big very

01:37:25.720 --> 01:37:29.079
Visionary and are still relevant however

01:37:29.159 --> 01:37:30.760
when you start breaking it down and

01:37:30.840 --> 01:37:33.600
looking at the opportunities to deliver

01:37:33.680 --> 01:37:36.319
 we need to fine-tune we need to

01:37:36.399 --> 01:37:39.039
detail and we need to update and that's

01:37:39.119 --> 01:37:42.119
what I see this master plan doing the

01:37:42.199 --> 01:37:46.119
reason that I have foreshadowed the

01:37:46.199 --> 01:37:48.479
or added in the extra part to the motion

01:37:48.560 --> 01:37:50.960
is to make sure that we don't forget

01:37:51.039 --> 01:37:53.479
that the other part of the airport

01:37:53.560 --> 01:37:55.359
precinct which is totally separate to

01:37:55.439 --> 01:37:58.159
this master plan so to clarify I'm not

01:37:58.239 --> 01:37:59.720
saying for this master plan not to go

01:37:59.800 --> 01:38:01.439
ahead tonight I'm supporting the

01:38:01.520 --> 01:38:04.520
master plan but what I am saying is that

01:38:04.600 --> 01:38:07.159
we need to understand that the whole of

01:38:07.239 --> 01:38:09.399
the airport precinct which includes

01:38:09.479 --> 01:38:12.079
those 32 other huts and the community

01:38:12.159 --> 01:38:14.479
groups that use them we need to

01:38:14.560 --> 01:38:15.840
understand what the plan what the future

01:38:15.920 --> 01:38:18.800
plan is for that area as well and when

01:38:18.880 --> 01:38:20.439
we've been working through this

01:38:20.520 --> 01:38:22.359
particular project we actually haven't

01:38:22.439 --> 01:38:25.960
done that piece of work in the past so

01:38:26.039 --> 01:38:28.079
we've we know that it's being used we

01:38:28.159 --> 01:38:31.079
know that council's made commitments to

01:38:31.159 --> 01:38:32.840
getting rid of the asbestos on some

01:38:32.920 --> 01:38:34.800
of those Air Force huts and we know that

01:38:34.880 --> 01:38:36.880
many of them are operating beautifully

01:38:36.960 --> 01:38:40.159
now  some of them are not but what we

01:38:40.239 --> 01:38:42.199
haven't done for that area is the

01:38:42.279 --> 01:38:44.840
overarching master plan or feasibility

01:38:44.920 --> 01:38:48.119
study for any future works and I think

01:38:48.199 --> 01:38:50.520
it's imperative given that they are both

01:38:50.600 --> 01:38:52.439
about our airport Precinct that they

01:38:52.520 --> 01:38:55.359
both talk to each each other I'd like

01:38:55.439 --> 01:38:58.640
to recognize Johnny here that's done a

01:38:58.720 --> 01:39:00.640
significant power of work in this in

01:39:00.720 --> 01:39:02.600
this particular Precinct and it's been a

01:39:02.680 --> 01:39:05.079
big job it's been a tough one because we

01:39:05.159 --> 01:39:06.399
haven't looked at it from this

01:39:06.479 --> 01:39:08.000
perspective with some business eyes with

01:39:08.079 --> 01:39:10.920
the Economic Opportunity in the past we

01:39:11.000 --> 01:39:13.319
have looked at our need to be responsive

01:39:13.399 --> 01:39:17.239
for emergency  for fire for ambulance

01:39:17.319 --> 01:39:20.439
for police and for all of the other

01:39:20.520 --> 01:39:22.319
business opportunities that there are in

01:39:22.399 --> 01:39:25.159
the area  but what we need to do is

01:39:25.239 --> 01:39:27.960
make sure that this actually looks after

01:39:28.039 --> 01:39:30.640
itself we need a decent balance or

01:39:30.720 --> 01:39:34.039
return if we possibly can we need to

01:39:34.119 --> 01:39:35.680
make sure that there's a future in our

01:39:35.760 --> 01:39:37.720
airport space and and as it's worked in

01:39:37.800 --> 01:39:40.239
the past we haven't had that degree of

01:39:40.319 --> 01:39:42.279
planning we've looked after it nicely

01:39:42.359 --> 01:39:43.640
we've mowed the Lawns and painted the

01:39:43.720 --> 01:39:47.600
sheds and  that has meant that what we

01:39:47.680 --> 01:39:50.000
do have is a pretty spectacular bunch of

01:39:50.079 --> 01:39:52.199
Heritage buildings but we need more than

01:39:52.279 --> 01:39:54.359
that to make this live into the future

01:39:54.439 --> 01:39:57.279
we need to understand that Master Plan

01:39:57.359 --> 01:39:59.960
component the business component and the

01:40:00.039 --> 01:40:02.920
return that there is likely to be we

01:40:03.000 --> 01:40:05.399
know that with a longer stronger broader

01:40:05.479 --> 01:40:08.680
Runway we can land bigger aircraft 

01:40:08.760 --> 01:40:10.479
that means there's the potential for

01:40:10.560 --> 01:40:12.239
even some Freight transfer in the belly

01:40:12.319 --> 01:40:13.640
of some of the planes it means that

01:40:13.720 --> 01:40:15.239
there certainly is the opportunity for

01:40:15.319 --> 01:40:18.239
people transfer and it does mean that we

01:40:18.319 --> 01:40:21.199
will be able to move people  from

01:40:21.279 --> 01:40:23.760
Ballarat to other

01:40:23.840 --> 01:40:26.600
 significant  Regional cities and

01:40:26.680 --> 01:40:29.880
even bigger around the country so it's

01:40:29.960 --> 01:40:31.600
important that we take the next step

01:40:31.680 --> 01:40:33.640
it's important that we plan the next

01:40:33.720 --> 01:40:36.359
step and it's important that the next

01:40:36.439 --> 01:40:39.079
steps are planned knowing what the

01:40:39.159 --> 01:40:42.640
neighboring land is going to look like

01:40:42.720 --> 01:40:47.359
as well we see the big air airplane

01:40:47.439 --> 01:40:49.319
wings at the entrance to Ballarat West

01:40:49.399 --> 01:40:52.000
employment Zone they're not there

01:40:52.079 --> 01:40:54.600
accidentally but they got put there when

01:40:54.680 --> 01:40:56.880
you Mr Mayor and myself and and many

01:40:56.960 --> 01:40:59.479
others in this room were part of those

01:40:59.560 --> 01:41:01.000
considerations earlier in the piece

01:41:01.079 --> 01:41:03.439
because we knew that the airport wasn't

01:41:03.520 --> 01:41:05.399
going to work on its own we knew that

01:41:05.479 --> 01:41:07.880
there needed to be an industrial Zone

01:41:07.960 --> 01:41:09.199
and we knew there needed to be

01:41:09.279 --> 01:41:12.439
connection to Railroad and air and we

01:41:12.520 --> 01:41:16.039
knew that that was going to be the main

01:41:16.119 --> 01:41:18.239
entrance to the airport it makes sense

01:41:18.319 --> 01:41:20.520
it made sense back then it makes sense

01:41:20.600 --> 01:41:23.199
today the master plan back then showed

01:41:23.279 --> 01:41:26.239
show us that entrance and the work that

01:41:26.319 --> 01:41:28.640
John an's team have been doing since

01:41:28.720 --> 01:41:31.319
then provides us with the new connection

01:41:31.399 --> 01:41:34.800
via Liberator Drive  it provides

01:41:34.880 --> 01:41:37.279
significant confidence to the aviation

01:41:37.359 --> 01:41:39.680
community that we see developing out at

01:41:39.760 --> 01:41:42.159
the airport today and I think it

01:41:42.239 --> 01:41:45.960
provides us as a council a great deal of

01:41:46.039 --> 01:41:48.199
confidence  as we plan into the future

01:41:48.279 --> 01:41:50.199
for our Aviation needs thank you

01:41:50.279 --> 01:41:53.279
councelor McIntosh before I ask the the

01:41:53.359 --> 01:41:56.720
second just a question to our 

01:41:56.800 --> 01:41:59.439
planning director director Robertson the

01:41:59.520 --> 01:42:03.000
term airport Heritage plans do we

01:42:03.079 --> 01:42:05.239
have airport Heritage plans is that the

01:42:05.319 --> 01:42:07.600
correct terminology we should have or

01:42:07.680 --> 01:42:08.960
should it

01:42:09.039 --> 01:42:12.680
be different words from there through

01:42:12.760 --> 01:42:15.600
you Mr Mayor there is no specific

01:42:15.680 --> 01:42:17.399
airport Heritage plan so I would

01:42:17.479 --> 01:42:21.079
probably recommend that we amend to

01:42:21.159 --> 01:42:23.840
ensure areas affected by by the local

01:42:23.920 --> 01:42:26.439
Heritage overlay and the Heritage

01:42:26.520 --> 01:42:29.680
Victoria overlay are cross referenced so

01:42:29.760 --> 01:42:31.840
that you can be specific because there's

01:42:31.920 --> 01:42:36.199
no actual Heritage plan so so the Mover

01:42:36.279 --> 01:42:38.319
and the second are happy to accept the

01:42:38.399 --> 01:42:40.640
intent of that the intent is the same

01:42:40.720 --> 01:42:43.159
happy for that okay and the seconder

01:42:43.239 --> 01:42:45.720
thank you okay  Council Maloney as a

01:42:45.800 --> 01:42:47.960
seconder you have the

01:42:48.039 --> 01:42:52.079
floor  thanks Mr Mayor and yeah as

01:42:52.159 --> 01:42:54.079
Council McIntosh has said thank you to

01:42:54.159 --> 01:42:57.279
Jonathan Wilshire for helping to to

01:42:57.359 --> 01:42:59.720
bring together some rigor to our our

01:42:59.800 --> 01:43:01.319
strategy going forward with the airport

01:43:01.399 --> 01:43:04.199
and I have in this chamber a few

01:43:04.279 --> 01:43:05.920
times been a bit critical at times of

01:43:06.000 --> 01:43:07.359
where we're heading with the airport

01:43:07.439 --> 01:43:10.239
because it's a it's a massive asset that

01:43:10.319 --> 01:43:12.079
I don't think we ever properly started

01:43:12.159 --> 01:43:14.399
to realize the potential for it's a it's

01:43:14.479 --> 01:43:17.319
an asset that risks becoming a money pit

01:43:17.399 --> 01:43:19.039
if we're not careful so you do need to

01:43:19.119 --> 01:43:22.319
be really strategic about how we invest

01:43:22.399 --> 01:43:24.520
how we private investment how we stag

01:43:24.600 --> 01:43:28.560
it over a period of time  because 

01:43:28.640 --> 01:43:32.079
otherwise it just  it risks being a

01:43:32.159 --> 01:43:34.479
lot of money tens of millions of dollars

01:43:34.560 --> 01:43:36.680
for the benefit of a few a few

01:43:36.760 --> 01:43:39.520
businesses there however I think

01:43:39.600 --> 01:43:41.880
this strikes the right balance this

01:43:41.960 --> 01:43:44.800
is a very considered report that that a

01:43:44.880 --> 01:43:47.279
plan that  looks to the commercial

01:43:47.359 --> 01:43:50.720
viability of an airport and and how

01:43:50.800 --> 01:43:53.000
as Council Macintosh said it can be

01:43:53.079 --> 01:43:55.920
integrated with Rail and Road Transport

01:43:56.000 --> 01:43:58.880
around it I really do hope that there

01:43:58.960 --> 01:44:02.079
is a time some some not too in a not too

01:44:02.159 --> 01:44:04.119
distant future where a bat resident can

01:44:04.199 --> 01:44:05.560
jump on a plane and go to Sydney or the

01:44:05.640 --> 01:44:07.159
Gold Coast or something like that but

01:44:07.239 --> 01:44:10.079
even better when they come here but

01:44:10.159 --> 01:44:11.680
that's going to be a way off let's be

01:44:11.760 --> 01:44:13.640
honest it's not going to happen tomorrow

01:44:13.720 --> 01:44:15.319
I think the demise of bonds that

01:44:15.399 --> 01:44:18.000
didn't help matters in that regard

01:44:18.079 --> 01:44:19.119
but there might be something down the

01:44:19.199 --> 01:44:22.520
track so on one hand you know I

01:44:22.600 --> 01:44:24.079
congratul the offices and even Council

01:44:24.159 --> 01:44:26.279
Macintosh has been part of the airport

01:44:26.359 --> 01:44:29.479
committee for forever 16 years oh near

01:44:29.560 --> 01:44:32.720
enough forever a long time  16 years

01:44:32.800 --> 01:44:33.920
and I was part of it for only I think

01:44:34.000 --> 01:44:36.479
four or five years but  there's

01:44:36.560 --> 01:44:38.159
some great businesses there with some

01:44:38.239 --> 01:44:42.479
great intent and I I I I congratulate

01:44:42.560 --> 01:44:44.560
councelor McIntosh and others for having

01:44:44.640 --> 01:44:46.399
pushing along a broad Vision a big

01:44:46.479 --> 01:44:48.600
Vision as long as it's done in a

01:44:48.680 --> 01:44:51.920
sustainable way that's paced out and

01:44:52.000 --> 01:44:54.199
it's to as Broad benefit is possible

01:44:54.279 --> 01:44:56.479
it's not just to the benefit of the

01:44:56.560 --> 01:44:58.159
businesses there that it has broader

01:44:58.239 --> 01:45:01.000
appeal and broader potential for bat and

01:45:01.079 --> 01:45:02.199
I think this does start to St that

01:45:02.279 --> 01:45:05.159
balance so I really congratulate the

01:45:05.239 --> 01:45:07.119
officers for doing that I also think

01:45:07.199 --> 01:45:08.560
that there's some some probably

01:45:08.640 --> 01:45:11.399
further  thought to impact on Lucas

01:45:11.479 --> 01:45:13.800
residents in particular over time as

01:45:13.880 --> 01:45:18.960
a North Ward counselor how  we

01:45:19.039 --> 01:45:21.479
manage  air traffic noise over the

01:45:21.560 --> 01:45:24.359
suburb of Lucas and you know it does

01:45:24.439 --> 01:45:26.479
it does address that as well too so

01:45:26.560 --> 01:45:28.800
thank you again for the considered 

01:45:28.880 --> 01:45:31.399
master plan that's long overdue and I'm

01:45:31.479 --> 01:45:32.560
so glad we're finally getting it in

01:45:32.640 --> 01:45:35.000
place thank you councel Maloney is there

01:45:35.079 --> 01:45:37.119
a council wishing to speak against the

01:45:37.199 --> 01:45:40.720
motion speaking for the motion Council

01:45:40.800 --> 01:45:44.279
Coates  yeah I will speak in favor

01:45:44.359 --> 01:45:48.680
and also moderately too because as as

01:45:48.760 --> 01:45:51.159
 councelor Malone's pointed out it it

01:45:51.239 --> 01:45:54.399
is in equal measure an opportunity and

01:45:54.479 --> 01:45:59.840
and a risk but having an airport is a

01:45:59.920 --> 01:46:03.199
a significant strategic asset

01:46:03.279 --> 01:46:05.439
significant at the state and federal

01:46:05.520 --> 01:46:07.840
level and we're not alone in fact there

01:46:07.920 --> 01:46:11.560
are actually over 300 Rural and Regional

01:46:11.640 --> 01:46:14.239
areas across Australia that have

01:46:14.319 --> 01:46:16.159
airports and I'm pretty sure not all of

01:46:16.239 --> 01:46:18.039
them are delighted to have them either

01:46:18.119 --> 01:46:20.079
because they cost a lot of a lot of

01:46:20.159 --> 01:46:24.159
money  one in 10 of those over 300

01:46:24.239 --> 01:46:29.039
need significant work so doing this

01:46:29.119 --> 01:46:32.760
strategic work helps helps manage the

01:46:32.840 --> 01:46:34.119
risk and the

01:46:34.199 --> 01:46:36.760
opportunity it places us in a

01:46:36.840 --> 01:46:39.439
position where we can we can try and

01:46:39.520 --> 01:46:42.279
anticipate because it's a 20-year plan

01:46:42.359 --> 01:46:45.279
and and also guide what what might

01:46:45.359 --> 01:46:47.840
happen there for the the benefit of

01:46:47.920 --> 01:46:50.840
the community so as we know airports are

01:46:50.920 --> 01:46:53.279
important for communities for for social

01:46:53.359 --> 01:46:56.159
benefit economic benefit connectivity

01:46:56.239 --> 01:46:58.960
and even emergency services so I'm

01:46:59.039 --> 01:47:02.239
pleased that the the plan identifies

01:47:02.319 --> 01:47:05.199
all of those areas and importantly

01:47:05.279 --> 01:47:07.720
having an airport it comes with a lot of

01:47:07.800 --> 01:47:09.920
responsibility so managing the risk and

01:47:10.000 --> 01:47:12.760
the compliance safety and compliance are

01:47:12.840 --> 01:47:16.079
really big aspects considering the

01:47:16.159 --> 01:47:19.000
nearby communities into the future

01:47:19.079 --> 01:47:21.640
considering other important planning

01:47:21.720 --> 01:47:24.000
issues and con straints that that may be

01:47:24.079 --> 01:47:26.640
there so identified in in the report are

01:47:26.720 --> 01:47:28.720
potential environmental constraints as

01:47:28.800 --> 01:47:31.039
well that have not been fully fully

01:47:31.119 --> 01:47:34.960
investigated yet all of those kinds

01:47:35.039 --> 01:47:37.159
of things and protecting that as an

01:47:37.239 --> 01:47:40.159
asset into the future because 20 years

01:47:40.239 --> 01:47:42.119
is a long time let's be let's be honest

01:47:42.199 --> 01:47:45.279
we don't know how the technology and the

01:47:45.359 --> 01:47:47.199
community is going to change in that

01:47:47.279 --> 01:47:49.079
time so I think being really well placed

01:47:49.159 --> 01:47:53.479
to to adapt to that there there are

01:47:53.560 --> 01:47:56.760
 yeah so so many issues to take into

01:47:56.840 --> 01:47:59.119
consideration so like other

01:47:59.199 --> 01:48:02.359
counselors  thank officers and

01:48:02.439 --> 01:48:05.439
Jonathan for his his work on it and all

01:48:05.520 --> 01:48:07.479
those who have contributed along the way

01:48:07.560 --> 01:48:10.239
counselors who've been involved and I

01:48:10.319 --> 01:48:13.960
think just really being mindful that

01:48:14.039 --> 01:48:16.560
it's it's not going to happen overnight

01:48:16.640 --> 01:48:18.960
there there's a lot of work to be done

01:48:19.039 --> 01:48:22.159
to and that is actually dependent on

01:48:22.239 --> 01:48:24.920
commercial operators as as well in in

01:48:25.000 --> 01:48:28.479
terms of you know passenger transport

01:48:28.560 --> 01:48:31.960
but I think having the airport as as

01:48:32.039 --> 01:48:34.319
an asset and being prepared if and when

01:48:34.399 --> 01:48:36.720
there are needs arising for emergency

01:48:36.800 --> 01:48:39.319
uses as well being in in Western Victor

01:48:39.399 --> 01:48:42.239
is a really in important consideration

01:48:42.319 --> 01:48:47.880
so on that note  happy to support

01:48:47.960 --> 01:48:51.840
the the final master plan and yeah

01:48:51.920 --> 01:48:54.880
look for to how the work progresses

01:48:54.960 --> 01:48:57.279
thank you councelor coats councelor

01:48:57.359 --> 01:48:59.159
Harris speaking for the motion against

01:48:59.239 --> 01:49:01.520
the motion against the motion thank you

01:49:01.600 --> 01:49:03.479
Council Harris you have the floor 

01:49:03.560 --> 01:49:06.720
thank you  I suppose over time

01:49:06.800 --> 01:49:08.079
counc you won't be surprised this a

01:49:08.159 --> 01:49:11.079
position  barad airport in my mind

01:49:11.159 --> 01:49:15.560
serves  a small  group in

01:49:15.640 --> 01:49:17.439
general aviation which has done well

01:49:17.520 --> 01:49:19.520
over time and if we can think of those

01:49:19.600 --> 01:49:21.479
businesses associated with it over time

01:49:21.560 --> 01:49:24.680
too at over time it's probably in my

01:49:24.760 --> 01:49:27.000
lifetime been more you know significant

01:49:27.079 --> 01:49:29.119
as the the light car club being there

01:49:29.199 --> 01:49:30.880
and other community groups that have you

01:49:30.960 --> 01:49:32.600
know adapted into that old Air Force

01:49:32.680 --> 01:49:35.279
site some would say perhaps in a bit

01:49:35.359 --> 01:49:38.000
hokey way I suppose that's true in many

01:49:38.079 --> 01:49:40.680
respects and I guess we all  want

01:49:40.760 --> 01:49:45.760
to have a  a large and 

01:49:45.840 --> 01:49:47.560
beautifully built facility like an

01:49:47.640 --> 01:49:51.399
airport in Bat but counselors there just

01:49:51.479 --> 01:49:54.159
truly is no business casing this there's

01:49:54.239 --> 01:49:57.119
just none it it is a nonsense to set

01:49:57.199 --> 01:50:00.000
ourselves up at this particular scope we

01:50:00.079 --> 01:50:02.079
should be thinking small with this we've

01:50:02.159 --> 01:50:04.000
got a community that's grown up around

01:50:04.079 --> 01:50:07.439
it very close to it we've got troubling

01:50:07.520 --> 01:50:11.319
noise profiles that go across it

01:50:11.399 --> 01:50:17.760
we we haven't got the money to to 

01:50:17.840 --> 01:50:19.880
speculatively put into an airport

01:50:19.960 --> 01:50:21.840
particularly in that position it's just

01:50:21.920 --> 01:50:24.359
not there it's no one said it's there

01:50:24.439 --> 01:50:26.880
we've had no emergency service we had no

01:50:26.960 --> 01:50:29.319
commercial U airliners we've had no

01:50:29.399 --> 01:50:31.399
one's expressed any interest in going to

01:50:31.479 --> 01:50:34.000
it probably not surprisingly tarine not

01:50:34.079 --> 01:50:36.079
that far away I just can't imagine what

01:50:36.159 --> 01:50:38.640
trips would come out of bat and

01:50:38.720 --> 01:50:40.319
similarly with Emergency Services

01:50:40.399 --> 01:50:42.199
they've had ample time and ample

01:50:42.279 --> 01:50:44.840
pressure from government to set up

01:50:44.920 --> 01:50:46.319
here if they wanted to they've never

01:50:46.399 --> 01:50:50.720
found that that utility is important

01:50:50.800 --> 01:50:53.159
counselors this will be a Money Pit

01:50:53.239 --> 01:50:56.439
Beyond money pits it will take The

01:50:56.520 --> 01:50:59.880
Treasure of this Community  and

01:50:59.960 --> 01:51:02.399
dissipate it at a at a rate that I think

01:51:02.479 --> 01:51:06.479
will  exhaust our rate payers

01:51:06.560 --> 01:51:09.239
patience

01:51:09.319 --> 01:51:12.359
it's it's just not right you know I know

01:51:12.439 --> 01:51:14.279
it' be great to say that we've got

01:51:14.359 --> 01:51:15.800
International connections and whatever

01:51:15.880 --> 01:51:18.239
but it ain't ever going to happen here

01:51:18.319 --> 01:51:20.199
if at some stage there's a secondary

01:51:20.279 --> 01:51:23.000
airport built for Victoria we may be in

01:51:23.079 --> 01:51:25.479
that as many big facilities do that

01:51:25.560 --> 01:51:27.960
would be a big another site further out

01:51:28.039 --> 01:51:30.000
trust me it wouldn't be where it is now

01:51:30.079 --> 01:51:31.800
this is not the time to develop it we've

01:51:31.880 --> 01:51:34.600
got a set early scope for it which is in

01:51:34.680 --> 01:51:38.079
fact quite small and well this plan

01:51:38.159 --> 01:51:39.800
and and I do appreciate the time

01:51:39.880 --> 01:51:41.880
officers put into it doesn't set the

01:51:41.960 --> 01:51:44.000
right scope and it will lead us in

01:51:44.079 --> 01:51:46.760
future councils into a place of great

01:51:46.840 --> 01:51:49.600
risk in particular I worry personally

01:51:49.680 --> 01:51:51.600
that this is part of The Treasure of our

01:51:51.680 --> 01:51:53.600
community and I would want to see that

01:51:53.680 --> 01:51:56.319
that land sold off that's adjacent to it

01:51:56.399 --> 01:52:00.159
set up to fund  what is really  a

01:52:00.239 --> 01:52:02.479
nonsensical business proposition in a

01:52:02.560 --> 01:52:05.000
larger airport thank you councelor

01:52:05.079 --> 01:52:06.760
Harris is there a council wishing to

01:52:06.840 --> 01:52:09.600
speak for the motion councel

01:52:09.680 --> 01:52:12.800
tyor I'll speak for it and and

01:52:12.880 --> 01:52:14.439
councel Harris does make some valid

01:52:14.520 --> 01:52:17.319
points and I think you know he's really

01:52:17.399 --> 01:52:19.239
is concerned that this is not going

01:52:19.319 --> 01:52:21.000
to take flight at all it's going to be

01:52:21.079 --> 01:52:23.640
pretty tough to do to get the reality of

01:52:23.720 --> 01:52:27.079
the master plan to happen but we've got

01:52:27.159 --> 01:52:28.920
to look at it at the size of our city we

01:52:29.000 --> 01:52:30.760
already do have commercial activity out

01:52:30.840 --> 01:52:33.159
there it may be though that that's more

01:52:33.239 --> 01:52:35.119
localized but we've got it we've already

01:52:35.199 --> 01:52:36.520
started we've already got to the

01:52:36.600 --> 01:52:38.039
position of what we're at at this

01:52:38.119 --> 01:52:39.600
Council we actually made the decision to

01:52:39.680 --> 01:52:41.359
put on an airport commercial manager

01:52:41.439 --> 01:52:42.800
which is here and we made that decision

01:52:42.880 --> 01:52:45.199
as a council to take the next step this

01:52:45.279 --> 01:52:47.760
is the next step after that which is

01:52:47.840 --> 01:52:50.399
setting a plan and it's a 20-year plan

01:52:50.479 --> 01:52:51.920
to set up what this could look like in

01:52:52.000 --> 01:52:53.199
the future

01:52:53.279 --> 01:52:54.800
K Harris is absolutely right this is

01:52:54.880 --> 01:52:58.279
going to cost a bond to do the ultimate

01:52:58.359 --> 01:53:01.359
dream to get this thing to to a place

01:53:01.439 --> 01:53:02.800
where it needs to be in commercial

01:53:02.880 --> 01:53:05.800
flights going across the nation it's

01:53:05.880 --> 01:53:07.359
going to take a lot of money and a lot

01:53:07.439 --> 01:53:10.920
of time to get there but over time I

01:53:11.000 --> 01:53:12.039
think it's a

01:53:12.119 --> 01:53:14.199
possibility it's going to take a long

01:53:14.279 --> 01:53:15.800
time to do it but I think it's a

01:53:15.880 --> 01:53:16.960
possibility I think we got to be

01:53:17.039 --> 01:53:19.720
realistic about the Emergency Services

01:53:19.800 --> 01:53:21.960
let's not hang our hopes on that as an

01:53:22.039 --> 01:53:24.359
option government's clearly said no we

01:53:24.439 --> 01:53:26.840
can't keep whipping a dead horse when

01:53:26.920 --> 01:53:28.600
they've said no multiple times that it's

01:53:28.680 --> 01:53:29.840
not going to happen there's no point in

01:53:29.920 --> 01:53:31.479
trying to do it again when they've

01:53:31.560 --> 01:53:33.840
clearly said that we've got challenges

01:53:33.920 --> 01:53:36.640
in Ballarat we are close to Melbourne we

01:53:36.720 --> 01:53:38.239
are close to jalong that's two of the

01:53:38.319 --> 01:53:40.119
major airports that we have in the state

01:53:40.199 --> 01:53:42.760
already but we also have opportunities

01:53:42.840 --> 01:53:44.720
where we've got a growing city and we've

01:53:44.800 --> 01:53:46.920
got a growing region and I know when

01:53:47.000 --> 01:53:48.359
I've talked to businesses and they say

01:53:48.439 --> 01:53:49.720
well we've got to go to Sydney or we've

01:53:49.800 --> 01:53:53.079
got to go further north the cost just to

01:53:53.159 --> 01:53:56.239
drive to Park in time gets to the point

01:53:56.319 --> 01:53:58.119
which nearly justifies a flight out of

01:53:58.199 --> 01:54:01.359
Ballarat if the the if the seats were

01:54:01.439 --> 01:54:03.039
available on a plane to come here to do

01:54:03.119 --> 01:54:06.359
it the big question is is where's that

01:54:06.439 --> 01:54:08.439
Tipping Point in relation to what's

01:54:08.520 --> 01:54:10.640
commercially viable versus what's a

01:54:10.720 --> 01:54:13.800
reality and we're not there yet but

01:54:13.880 --> 01:54:16.319
there's no reason why we can't plan for

01:54:16.399 --> 01:54:18.079
it we can't look at the opportunity for

01:54:18.159 --> 01:54:19.920
funding that can come along and we

01:54:20.000 --> 01:54:22.720
continually do those little bits 

01:54:22.800 --> 01:54:24.359
little bits and pieces to make the

01:54:24.439 --> 01:54:26.479
airport a more functioning airport a

01:54:26.560 --> 01:54:28.279
more attractive airport that we can look

01:54:28.359 --> 01:54:30.399
for investment whether it's state

01:54:30.479 --> 01:54:32.039
government or commercial opportunities

01:54:32.119 --> 01:54:33.520
and then we can try and see this as a

01:54:33.600 --> 01:54:36.720
reality may take 20 years may take 10

01:54:36.800 --> 01:54:38.119
years but at least we get the

01:54:38.199 --> 01:54:40.760
opportunity that we can actually 

01:54:40.840 --> 01:54:42.399
get this thing to get off the ground

01:54:42.479 --> 01:54:44.079
which is really important so absolutely

01:54:44.159 --> 01:54:45.840
support it it's going to take a lot of

01:54:45.920 --> 01:54:47.359
time but we've got to start somewhere

01:54:47.439 --> 01:54:49.039
and we've made that decision a long time

01:54:49.119 --> 01:54:51.800
ago to go down this this path but

01:54:51.880 --> 01:54:54.319
actually this is the next step in in

01:54:54.399 --> 01:54:56.279
getting that to reality thank you

01:54:56.359 --> 01:54:58.079
councelor Taylor is there a councelor

01:54:58.159 --> 01:55:00.159
wishing to speak against the motion

01:55:00.239 --> 01:55:03.319
councelor Johnson thank you Mr Mayor I

01:55:03.399 --> 01:55:06.000
must say I agree with much of what

01:55:06.079 --> 01:55:08.520
councelor Harris expressed tonight I

01:55:08.600 --> 01:55:12.720
would absolutely love a  a wonderful

01:55:12.800 --> 01:55:14.720
 commercial Airport operating out of

01:55:14.800 --> 01:55:17.960
bellat where we could

01:55:18.039 --> 01:55:21.000
easily board flights that take us 

01:55:21.079 --> 01:55:23.479
into State and that's a great 20-year

01:55:23.560 --> 01:55:25.039
Vision

01:55:25.119 --> 01:55:28.640
but the the resources that will be

01:55:28.720 --> 01:55:30.960
required to be put into the achievement

01:55:31.039 --> 01:55:33.600
of that dream will be significant I note

01:55:33.680 --> 01:55:37.119
that the  officers report states that

01:55:37.199 --> 01:55:38.640
the state and Commonwealth governments

01:55:38.720 --> 01:55:41.039
very strongly support the projects

01:55:41.119 --> 01:55:42.960
objectives and that's quite different to

01:55:43.039 --> 01:55:46.199
funding  elements of these projects

01:55:46.279 --> 01:55:48.479
and we know that both state and federal

01:55:48.560 --> 01:55:50.439
government are struggling at the moment

01:55:50.520 --> 01:55:53.479
as far as their finances and I don't

01:55:53.560 --> 01:55:56.720
see this these projects related to

01:55:56.800 --> 01:55:58.439
the airport as being at the top of their

01:55:58.520 --> 01:55:59.680
list of

01:55:59.760 --> 01:56:02.840
priorities I think it's important that

01:56:02.920 --> 01:56:03.920


01:56:04.000 --> 01:56:06.800
we I think we need to rethink  the

01:56:06.880 --> 01:56:09.079
plan for this site and top of mind for

01:56:09.159 --> 01:56:11.159
me is the impact on surrounding

01:56:11.239 --> 01:56:13.600
residents aircraft noise is something

01:56:13.680 --> 01:56:15.680
that has a considerable impact on the

01:56:15.760 --> 01:56:18.079
amenity of people's enjoyment on the

01:56:18.159 --> 01:56:19.760
amenity of of people's homes and the

01:56:19.840 --> 01:56:22.960
enjoyment of their homes and as part of

01:56:23.039 --> 01:56:26.199
the report it actually references an

01:56:26.279 --> 01:56:28.720
agreement that could be struck between

01:56:28.800 --> 01:56:30.520
the residents that are impacted and

01:56:30.600 --> 01:56:32.800
those utilizing the airport however it

01:56:32.880 --> 01:56:35.199
would be 

01:56:35.279 --> 01:56:38.560
preferred preferred behaviors rather

01:56:38.640 --> 01:56:40.119
than mandatory requirements none of

01:56:40.199 --> 01:56:43.399
which would be

01:56:43.680 --> 01:56:46.319
enforcable  yeah I I I don't support

01:56:46.399 --> 01:56:49.760
it and I but I definitely do agree

01:56:49.840 --> 01:56:52.439
with the sale of the land I think

01:56:52.520 --> 01:56:56.399
that that will go a long way to

01:56:56.479 --> 01:56:59.239
providing  Revenue to some of the

01:56:59.319 --> 01:57:01.079
smaller projects associated with the

01:57:01.159 --> 01:57:03.920
airport but yeah I think I think it's

01:57:04.000 --> 01:57:05.960
a bit of a pipe dream thank you

01:57:06.039 --> 01:57:08.239
councelor Johnson is there a council

01:57:08.319 --> 01:57:10.920
wishing to speak for the motion speak

01:57:11.000 --> 01:57:12.600
against the

01:57:12.680 --> 01:57:15.119
motion Council McIntosh you have the

01:57:15.199 --> 01:57:17.840
right to sup thanks very much Mr

01:57:17.920 --> 01:57:21.399
Mayor I will sup and I'll reflect

01:57:21.479 --> 01:57:23.720
on some of the comments from a number of

01:57:23.800 --> 01:57:27.119
the councilors which I do agree with to

01:57:27.199 --> 01:57:29.720
start with the reason that we went

01:57:29.800 --> 01:57:32.319
down the path to produce this master

01:57:32.399 --> 01:57:35.319
plan is because our Council our Council

01:57:35.399 --> 01:57:38.199
or group felt that it was important to

01:57:38.279 --> 01:57:40.920
have a bigger Vision  to be able to

01:57:41.000 --> 01:57:44.119
attract further funding and with that

01:57:44.199 --> 01:57:46.079
decision of this

01:57:46.159 --> 01:57:49.720
Council  it came on top of significant

01:57:49.800 --> 01:57:52.439
funding that we have already received so

01:57:52.520 --> 01:57:53.920
you know years ago we did receive the

01:57:54.000 --> 01:57:56.199
funding for the py system and for aprons

01:57:56.279 --> 01:57:58.279
and and general airport work it was a

01:57:58.359 --> 01:58:00.600
few million dollars 4.2 or three from

01:58:00.680 --> 01:58:02.760
memory that was a number of years ago

01:58:02.840 --> 01:58:05.479
more recently we received a

01:58:05.560 --> 01:58:07.520
commitment from federal government of $5

01:58:07.600 --> 01:58:10.880
million this Council matching 5 million

01:58:10.960 --> 01:58:13.880
and then maybe around four or so for the

01:58:13.960 --> 01:58:16.319
Liberator drive from state

01:58:16.399 --> 01:58:19.720
government  so to say that it's a pip

01:58:19.800 --> 01:58:20.840
draam we're not going to be able to

01:58:20.920 --> 01:58:23.000
attract funding we actually already have

01:58:23.079 --> 01:58:26.000
and and not only just for the airport

01:58:26.079 --> 01:58:28.840
proper as we see it now we've also

01:58:28.920 --> 01:58:30.600
attracted significant funding for the

01:58:30.680 --> 01:58:33.119
likes of bat West employment zone for

01:58:33.199 --> 01:58:37.439
the Link Road for  the big

01:58:37.520 --> 01:58:39.800
roundabouts the bdb roundabouts and all

01:58:39.880 --> 01:58:42.720
of those parts of our significant

01:58:42.800 --> 01:58:45.319
transformational projects of not just

01:58:45.399 --> 01:58:48.439
this Council but the previous three have

01:58:48.520 --> 01:58:51.439
all been part of this plan this is a

01:58:51.520 --> 01:58:52.479
significant

01:58:52.560 --> 01:58:56.800
Vision plan I recall recently sadly when

01:58:56.880 --> 01:59:01.039
the fires  went from Lake bfield

01:59:01.119 --> 01:59:03.039
across the mountain and down pomonal yes

01:59:03.119 --> 01:59:04.880
I know it will because it included our

01:59:04.960 --> 01:59:08.560
family farm what I saw when I came back

01:59:08.640 --> 01:59:11.439
to Ballarat was

01:59:11.520 --> 01:59:13.920
automatically our airport was used as

01:59:14.000 --> 01:59:17.000
the emergency response base our Council

01:59:17.079 --> 01:59:19.520
wasn't even involved in that that

01:59:19.600 --> 01:59:21.399
happened that happened because they

01:59:21.479 --> 01:59:24.680
needed to be the right Emergency

01:59:24.760 --> 01:59:28.039
Services base chosen that was accessible

01:59:28.119 --> 01:59:31.279
for the big aircraft that needed to be

01:59:31.359 --> 01:59:36.000
 enlisted to fight that  really

01:59:36.079 --> 01:59:38.760
challenging situation that many

01:59:38.840 --> 01:59:42.279
people lost their livelihoods for they

01:59:42.359 --> 01:59:44.319
lost their Farms they lost their

01:59:44.399 --> 01:59:46.760
businesses they lost their homes they

01:59:46.840 --> 01:59:50.439
lost their photographs they lost so much

01:59:50.520 --> 01:59:54.159
of what they lived for and our airport

01:59:54.239 --> 01:59:56.920
made sense for all of the emergency

01:59:57.000 --> 01:59:58.920
services to base from there it was a

01:59:59.000 --> 02:00:02.039
hive of activity it looked like it was

02:00:02.119 --> 02:00:04.359
 a significant

02:00:04.439 --> 02:00:06.840
City there's been significant money

02:00:06.920 --> 02:00:09.199
invested not just for the airport but

02:00:09.279 --> 02:00:10.680
for all of the other businesses that

02:00:10.760 --> 02:00:13.199
surround that area and that continues

02:00:13.279 --> 02:00:14.880
every time I drive out there and there's

02:00:14.960 --> 02:00:16.560
not really a week that would go by where

02:00:16.640 --> 02:00:18.000
I don't drive out there because it

02:00:18.079 --> 02:00:20.520
excites me it excites me to see the

02:00:20.600 --> 02:00:23.159
possibility and the potential for not

02:00:23.239 --> 02:00:25.000
just our municipality but for the

02:00:25.079 --> 02:00:28.000
broader regions that s survive and and

02:00:28.079 --> 02:00:30.479
rely on us we rely on their food and

02:00:30.560 --> 02:00:32.920
fiber and they rely on us to provide

02:00:33.000 --> 02:00:35.199
things like the con connectivity of

02:00:35.279 --> 02:00:38.600
Roads Rail and air the opportunity for

02:00:38.680 --> 02:00:40.000
their business to flourish for their

02:00:40.079 --> 02:00:43.560
Farm produce to make sense to be used to

02:00:43.640 --> 02:00:47.039
be shared around it's not a small

02:00:47.119 --> 02:00:50.239
thing it has potential to be a bigger

02:00:50.319 --> 02:00:53.479
thing but it certainly doesn't and the

02:00:53.560 --> 02:00:55.800
plan doesn't intend for it to be bigger

02:00:55.880 --> 02:00:58.880
than Texas either it's a sensible plan

02:00:58.960 --> 02:01:01.880
for the future of our regional City and

02:01:01.960 --> 02:01:03.600
at the moment we're right down the

02:01:03.680 --> 02:01:05.600
bottom of list of you know the 20

02:01:05.680 --> 02:01:07.720
municipalities Regional municipalities

02:01:07.800 --> 02:01:10.119
or cities that actually have an airport

02:01:10.199 --> 02:01:11.640
ours doesn't have the connected

02:01:11.720 --> 02:01:13.479
Runway our doesn't have the capacity

02:01:13.560 --> 02:01:15.279
that all of those others do nor does it

02:01:15.359 --> 02:01:17.600
have the ability to host the bigger

02:01:17.680 --> 02:01:19.920
planes however we've got an airst strip

02:01:20.000 --> 02:01:21.960
there that used to be connected that's

02:01:22.039 --> 02:01:24.319
not today that will be soon because

02:01:24.399 --> 02:01:26.520
we've already had the air strip the new

02:01:26.600 --> 02:01:28.319
part funded we've got the funding

02:01:28.399 --> 02:01:30.319
sitting there for Liberator drive and

02:01:30.399 --> 02:01:32.439
the next part will be looking after the

02:01:32.520 --> 02:01:34.039
tarmac that we actually already own and

02:01:34.119 --> 02:01:35.479
that we should be looking after there's

02:01:35.560 --> 02:01:36.840
an air strip there that needs some

02:01:36.920 --> 02:01:39.319
attention and and we know that the likes

02:01:39.399 --> 02:01:42.479
of the flying doctors have concerns

02:01:42.560 --> 02:01:45.720
landing on a rough strip as it is now

02:01:45.800 --> 02:01:49.079
the I'll ask you to bring your debate to

02:01:49.159 --> 02:01:51.399
the to a conclusion please the master

02:01:51.479 --> 02:01:54.199
plan looks at risks it looks at safety

02:01:54.279 --> 02:01:56.960
and it looks at compliance it considers

02:01:57.039 --> 02:02:00.479
sound and those noise Contours it

02:02:00.560 --> 02:02:03.760
cares about how the residents in Lucas

02:02:03.840 --> 02:02:06.079
will hear the airport sounds and it

02:02:06.159 --> 02:02:08.399
looks at different ways to better manage

02:02:08.479 --> 02:02:11.279
that it's looking at connectivity at

02:02:11.359 --> 02:02:14.399
sustainability at economics at Health at

02:02:14.479 --> 02:02:17.319
emergency response at Heritage at

02:02:17.399 --> 02:02:19.800
business and it's about protecting the

02:02:19.880 --> 02:02:23.000
assets for the future Mr I can't see how

02:02:23.079 --> 02:02:26.079
we can't move forward with this plan we

02:02:26.159 --> 02:02:29.079
need to break down into small chunks

02:02:29.159 --> 02:02:31.760
what we have done in big Visionary plans

02:02:31.840 --> 02:02:35.600
in the past and I believe this does it

02:02:35.680 --> 02:02:38.000
for us thank you Mr May thank you

02:02:38.079 --> 02:02:40.279
councelor McIntosh councilors I will put

02:02:40.359 --> 02:02:42.239
the motion all those in

02:02:42.319 --> 02:02:45.880
favor all those against the motion is

02:02:45.960 --> 02:02:48.000
carried councelor McIntosh I'll call for

02:02:48.079 --> 02:02:49.800
a division Mr Mayor councelor McIntosh

02:02:49.880 --> 02:02:51.399
would like a division councilors in

02:02:51.479 --> 02:02:52.560
favor

02:02:52.640 --> 02:02:54.119
councelor Taylor councelor Maloney

02:02:54.199 --> 02:02:55.920
councel Macintosh councelor Hargraves

02:02:56.000 --> 02:02:57.720
councel EDD councelor coats and

02:02:57.800 --> 02:02:59.960
councelor Hudson councilors against the

02:03:00.039 --> 02:03:01.720
motion councelor Johnson and councelor

02:03:01.800 --> 02:03:03.960
Harris the motion is carried seven votes

02:03:04.039 --> 02:03:07.239
to two thank you councilors councilor's

02:03:07.319 --> 02:03:09.640
item 8.2 is the resource recovery and

02:03:09.720 --> 02:03:11.479
waste management strategy councelor

02:03:11.560 --> 02:03:13.560
coats happy to move happy to move

02:03:13.640 --> 02:03:15.159
councelor coats there a councel to

02:03:15.239 --> 02:03:17.800
second the

02:03:18.119 --> 02:03:21.359
motion any Council hope to second the

02:03:21.439 --> 02:03:23.399
motion on the

02:03:23.479 --> 02:03:26.239
waist oh God councelor sorry councelor

02:03:26.319 --> 02:03:28.000
Macintosh councelor coats you have the

02:03:28.079 --> 02:03:30.000
floor that's

02:03:30.079 --> 02:03:32.439
right that's all right it's just me

02:03:32.520 --> 02:03:34.760
who's excited about waste isn't it it's

02:03:34.840 --> 02:03:38.359
it's actually it's embarrassing how

02:03:38.439 --> 02:03:42.279
much I'm interested in waste  it's

02:03:42.359 --> 02:03:45.880
quite on brand though so and what is

02:03:45.960 --> 02:03:48.239
also on brand is the title of the draft

02:03:48.319 --> 02:03:51.760
waste as a resource our circular economy

02:03:51.840 --> 02:03:54.720
and I I really like the title because it

02:03:54.800 --> 02:03:58.560
it focuses us as individuals and as

02:03:58.640 --> 02:04:01.319
Council to think about everything we put

02:04:01.399 --> 02:04:04.319
in the bin as putting money in the bin

02:04:04.399 --> 02:04:06.760
wasting a resource so whether we're

02:04:06.840 --> 02:04:09.680
doing that as individuals at home or

02:04:09.760 --> 02:04:13.039
whether we're putting rubbish into

02:04:13.119 --> 02:04:17.880
landfill we're throwing away money so

02:04:17.960 --> 02:04:20.680
I really like the title of it I like the

02:04:20.760 --> 02:04:23.760
fact that the work has been in done

02:04:23.840 --> 02:04:26.199
in close consultation with communities

02:04:26.279 --> 02:04:28.640
so there's been co-design with some of

02:04:28.720 --> 02:04:33.680
our waste circular Champions so

02:04:33.760 --> 02:04:37.960
groups like The repair Cafe like the

02:04:38.039 --> 02:04:41.239
Whole Foods Collective the toy Library

02:04:41.319 --> 02:04:45.199
hidden Orchard and others who there

02:04:45.279 --> 02:04:46.840
are there are people out there like me

02:04:46.920 --> 02:04:49.600
who are are really really into waste but

02:04:49.680 --> 02:04:51.840
we know that we've got to bring people

02:04:51.920 --> 02:04:54.760
along and we've got to make it easy for

02:04:54.840 --> 02:04:58.720
people not to not to waste things so

02:04:58.800 --> 02:05:01.279
it's it's a it's a journey but we've

02:05:01.359 --> 02:05:03.359
we've really got to start somewhere and

02:05:03.439 --> 02:05:07.800
and in doing the the draft strategy

02:05:07.880 --> 02:05:11.039
we've looked at setting targets and and

02:05:11.119 --> 02:05:13.439
goals for reducing the waste that goes

02:05:13.520 --> 02:05:17.239
into landfill and increasing recycling

02:05:17.319 --> 02:05:20.119
so I'm really excited about some of

02:05:20.199 --> 02:05:22.039
the initiatives that are happening

02:05:22.119 --> 02:05:25.279
already as well so the the

02:05:25.359 --> 02:05:27.560
development of the waste app I think

02:05:27.640 --> 02:05:30.760
that will help make make it easy for

02:05:30.840 --> 02:05:32.399
people because that's what that's really

02:05:32.479 --> 02:05:35.119
what we have to do I I do know that not

02:05:35.199 --> 02:05:37.159
not everyone's into waste like me in

02:05:37.239 --> 02:05:39.840
fact some my friends joke that they

02:05:39.920 --> 02:05:41.520
they tease each other if they don't take

02:05:41.600 --> 02:05:43.640
their reusable bags and say I'll tell

02:05:43.720 --> 02:05:45.600
binder

02:05:45.680 --> 02:05:47.199
coats

02:05:47.279 --> 02:05:51.000
that's that's that's bad isn't it

02:05:51.079 --> 02:05:52.119
that's bad

02:05:52.199 --> 02:05:54.960
anyway so the the waste app I think

02:05:55.039 --> 02:05:57.560
will be terrific the soft Plastics

02:05:57.640 --> 02:06:01.560
recycling scheme the orange bags I'm

02:06:01.640 --> 02:06:03.760
hopeful we'll we'll get thousands of

02:06:03.840 --> 02:06:06.760
people on board it's a pilot of up to

02:06:06.840 --> 02:06:10.000
10,000 people so I'd be interested to

02:06:10.079 --> 02:06:12.560
know how many we've got signed up bit

02:06:12.640 --> 02:06:15.680
over 1,700 as of today I believe

02:06:15.760 --> 02:06:17.880
excellent excellent keep going everyone

02:06:17.960 --> 02:06:20.399
get on board with the the soft Plastics

02:06:20.479 --> 02:06:24.119
also the text sty recycling at the

02:06:24.199 --> 02:06:26.439
the transfer station is a new

02:06:26.520 --> 02:06:29.079
initiative that's terrific compost and

02:06:29.159 --> 02:06:32.359
worm farm  rebates and looking into

02:06:32.439 --> 02:06:35.239
residential hard waste collection as

02:06:35.319 --> 02:06:39.239
well so even though even though we we

02:06:39.319 --> 02:06:42.319
want to really encourage stopping waste

02:06:42.399 --> 02:06:44.119
at the the source and not throwing

02:06:44.199 --> 02:06:46.600
things away recognizing that sometimes

02:06:46.680 --> 02:06:48.720
hard waste at home is an issue for

02:06:48.800 --> 02:06:52.000
people and supporting

02:06:52.079 --> 02:06:55.039
supporting  some s kind of scheme so

02:06:55.119 --> 02:06:57.239
one of the initiatives at the moment is

02:06:57.319 --> 02:07:00.840
investigating options for for hard

02:07:00.920 --> 02:07:03.920
waste collection so doing an assessment

02:07:04.000 --> 02:07:07.239
just balancing  keeping waste out of

02:07:07.319 --> 02:07:09.920
landfill with providing services to

02:07:10.000 --> 02:07:13.479
people at home as well so

02:07:13.560 --> 02:07:16.760
 I'm also pleased to see in there

02:07:16.840 --> 02:07:19.479
as one of the one of the protecting

02:07:19.560 --> 02:07:22.760
protecting our environment  actions

02:07:22.840 --> 02:07:26.439
advocating for the landfill Levy so

02:07:26.520 --> 02:07:28.279
that's the levy that's collected by

02:07:28.359 --> 02:07:30.239
state government to actually come back

02:07:30.319 --> 02:07:32.920
to council so that so that we can

02:07:33.000 --> 02:07:36.199
genuinely reinvest that into circular

02:07:36.279 --> 02:07:38.239
economy initiatives and waste and

02:07:38.319 --> 02:07:42.439
recycling initiatives locally it's

02:07:42.520 --> 02:07:46.239
it's been an ongoing battle really to to

02:07:46.319 --> 02:07:48.640
call the state government and

02:07:48.720 --> 02:07:50.600
successive governments it's both both

02:07:50.680 --> 02:07:52.279
labor and liberal governments have been

02:07:52.359 --> 02:07:55.119
guilty of this of not  not really

02:07:55.199 --> 02:07:57.640
showing full transparency of where that

02:07:57.720 --> 02:08:01.239
money goes in terms of genuine Recycling

02:08:01.319 --> 02:08:03.840
and waste initiatives that that actually

02:08:03.920 --> 02:08:06.159
should be going where they'll have the

02:08:06.239 --> 02:08:08.720
the best benefit and that's with

02:08:08.800 --> 02:08:11.239
councils who are best place to to work

02:08:11.319 --> 02:08:13.319
really closely with the community to

02:08:13.399 --> 02:08:15.720
educate community members and bring them

02:08:15.800 --> 02:08:18.520
along and you know we've seen that with

02:08:18.600 --> 02:08:20.520
some of the the pilot work that's been

02:08:20.600 --> 02:08:21.880
done with the

02:08:21.960 --> 02:08:25.159
with the circular waste Champions

02:08:25.239 --> 02:08:28.520
that when people are supported to to do

02:08:28.600 --> 02:08:30.560
better with recycling they they really

02:08:30.640 --> 02:08:32.479
step up and I think people people want

02:08:32.560 --> 02:08:34.279
to do better so I'll be interested to

02:08:34.359 --> 02:08:37.640
see if we get some some further input

02:08:37.720 --> 02:08:39.880
on the draft but I think it's in a

02:08:39.960 --> 02:08:41.800
really good spot and yeah I'm really

02:08:41.880 --> 02:08:43.399
excited about some of the new

02:08:43.479 --> 02:08:46.560
initiatives that that are already

02:08:46.640 --> 02:08:49.199
underway and what  what's possible for

02:08:49.279 --> 02:08:52.000
the future as as well in terms of

02:08:52.079 --> 02:08:55.199
keeping waste out of landfill in the

02:08:55.279 --> 02:08:57.399
first place genuinely looking at that

02:08:57.479 --> 02:09:01.119
hierarchy so first of all refusing

02:09:01.199 --> 02:09:03.640
the waste then reducing it  then

02:09:03.720 --> 02:09:07.119
recycling so really really focusing on

02:09:07.199 --> 02:09:10.479
that as a a key goal thank you councelor

02:09:10.560 --> 02:09:13.199
coats councelor McIntosh is the

02:09:13.279 --> 02:09:16.720
second  thanks very much Mr May  I

02:09:16.800 --> 02:09:18.560
think like councilor coats there are

02:09:18.640 --> 02:09:21.520
many people that love this space and

02:09:21.600 --> 02:09:25.159
that believe that we need to do more

02:09:25.239 --> 02:09:29.000
I believe that the opportunity to

02:09:29.079 --> 02:09:32.479
empow our community is through projects

02:09:32.560 --> 02:09:35.119
like this  through plans and

02:09:35.199 --> 02:09:37.399
strategies that are very engaging that

02:09:37.479 --> 02:09:40.039
are very public that really encourage

02:09:40.119 --> 02:09:42.640
significant Community conversation 

02:09:42.720 --> 02:09:44.720
many of you have heard me talk before

02:09:44.800 --> 02:09:46.640
about going to crack hour and and

02:09:46.720 --> 02:09:48.720
looking at their whole system and it was

02:09:48.800 --> 02:09:51.560
absolutely impressive to billio to see

02:09:51.640 --> 02:09:53.800
from birth to death the engagement of

02:09:53.880 --> 02:09:56.600
that community of the fun of the

02:09:56.680 --> 02:09:59.319
activities and of the absolute

02:09:59.399 --> 02:10:03.199
commitment that they have to use less so

02:10:03.279 --> 02:10:04.920
before we start talking about reuse

02:10:05.000 --> 02:10:07.560
repair and recycle before we get into

02:10:07.640 --> 02:10:09.960
that space the education was such a

02:10:10.039 --> 02:10:12.560
significant part of it and to me that's

02:10:12.640 --> 02:10:15.239
the one thing that I would like to 

02:10:15.319 --> 02:10:18.319
continue reflecting on more and more 

02:10:18.399 --> 02:10:20.000
that there is an opportunity for us to

02:10:20.079 --> 02:10:22.399
do more in that place for us to do more

02:10:22.479 --> 02:10:24.880
in that space and and those programs

02:10:24.960 --> 02:10:26.720
that I brought back and and handed to

02:10:26.800 --> 02:10:30.039
the council offices that engaged

02:10:30.119 --> 02:10:32.920
those little people in those you know

02:10:33.000 --> 02:10:36.600
just not long after birth programs and

02:10:36.680 --> 02:10:40.479
to those seniors in the homes and in

02:10:40.560 --> 02:10:42.119
the community activities that they were

02:10:42.199 --> 02:10:44.800
involved with they were all such a

02:10:44.880 --> 02:10:47.319
significant part of how every day in

02:10:47.399 --> 02:10:50.640
their life they committed to making

02:10:50.720 --> 02:10:53.600
sure that they created less and that

02:10:53.680 --> 02:10:56.279
what was left they did better with it in

02:10:56.359 --> 02:10:59.760
reusing in repairing and in recycling

02:10:59.840 --> 02:11:02.119
the illegal dumping the community

02:11:02.199 --> 02:11:03.960
promotion and so on that's talked in the

02:11:04.039 --> 02:11:07.079
various strategies in in this particular

02:11:07.159 --> 02:11:09.680
 Way Forward are really important

02:11:09.760 --> 02:11:13.399
parts for us to encourage other people

02:11:13.479 --> 02:11:16.039
to understand the value in waste as well

02:11:16.119 --> 02:11:18.960
it is not waste and and and when we were

02:11:19.039 --> 02:11:20.800
talking over there they wouldn't refer

02:11:20.880 --> 02:11:23.680
to it as waste because it is such a

02:11:23.760 --> 02:11:25.560
valuable commodity and there's so many

02:11:25.640 --> 02:11:27.960
different ways that our community can do

02:11:28.039 --> 02:11:30.479
better in that place in that space what

02:11:30.560 --> 02:11:32.840
I saw over there was a number of

02:11:32.920 --> 02:11:34.520
different groups like disability groups

02:11:34.600 --> 02:11:35.600
that were

02:11:35.680 --> 02:11:38.720
unpacking  and disassembling packing

02:11:38.800 --> 02:11:41.520
crates for instance making them into

02:11:41.600 --> 02:11:43.800
animal shelters for the community and

02:11:43.880 --> 02:11:45.359
then taking them out and fitting them

02:11:45.439 --> 02:11:47.760
into  Community Public Gardens and

02:11:47.840 --> 02:11:50.159
spaces there were so many different

02:11:50.239 --> 02:11:51.840
projects that

02:11:51.920 --> 02:11:55.239
that their Community saw the beauty in

02:11:55.319 --> 02:11:57.880
and there was significant engagement and

02:11:57.960 --> 02:12:00.239
I see that we're going a long way down

02:12:00.319 --> 02:12:02.279
that path we've still got more to do

02:12:02.359 --> 02:12:04.279
we'll have more to do for quite a long

02:12:04.359 --> 02:12:06.720
time but I think that bat city

02:12:06.800 --> 02:12:09.279
council  through this approach is

02:12:09.359 --> 02:12:12.000
engaging our community they're walking

02:12:12.079 --> 02:12:13.920
with our community so that the broader

02:12:14.000 --> 02:12:16.760
Community understands more in this

02:12:16.840 --> 02:12:19.640
area and that we just don't drop the

02:12:19.720 --> 02:12:21.359
bundle we need to make sure sure that

02:12:21.439 --> 02:12:23.319
our Bush lands are nice and fresh and

02:12:23.399 --> 02:12:25.600
clear and healthy as we do our

02:12:25.680 --> 02:12:27.840
communities our neighboring yards and

02:12:27.920 --> 02:12:30.920
spaces and  I really do look forward

02:12:31.000 --> 02:12:34.119
to doing more work  in this area to

02:12:34.199 --> 02:12:35.640
make sure that our community come on

02:12:35.720 --> 02:12:37.760
board with a great deal of excitement

02:12:37.840 --> 02:12:39.159
thank you councilor McIntosh is there

02:12:39.239 --> 02:12:40.520
Council wishing to speak against the

02:12:40.600 --> 02:12:44.399
motion speaking for the motion councelor

02:12:44.479 --> 02:12:46.800
Harris have a bit of a think about

02:12:46.880 --> 02:12:50.119
thank you Mr M  I think it's a

02:12:50.199 --> 02:12:53.520
great piece I think it's enthusiastic

02:12:53.600 --> 02:12:55.319
and I think it's going to take community

02:12:55.399 --> 02:12:58.800
on board with it it always worries me

02:12:58.880 --> 02:13:00.479
though with the circular economy because

02:13:00.560 --> 02:13:03.119
when we've got a state you know

02:13:03.199 --> 02:13:05.239
government which just taxes us on it it

02:13:05.319 --> 02:13:06.840
is the biggest impediment to actually

02:13:06.920 --> 02:13:10.319
making that join up and similar

02:13:10.399 --> 02:13:11.560
there's all stuff we've got to be

02:13:11.640 --> 02:13:13.359
careful of our own green washing in this

02:13:13.439 --> 02:13:15.520
I know we're enthusiastic about it but I

02:13:15.600 --> 02:13:17.520
no that the only the only cont

02:13:17.600 --> 02:13:21.960
contribution to this the soft plastic

02:13:22.039 --> 02:13:24.560
  Waste Management strategies from

02:13:24.640 --> 02:13:27.279
the soft plastic industry you know so we

02:13:27.359 --> 02:13:28.920
got to be realistic and rational and

02:13:29.000 --> 02:13:31.720
look at it still with a a whole a very

02:13:31.800 --> 02:13:36.640
cold  and pragmatic look at it

02:13:36.720 --> 02:13:38.760
it's it it is it's not all cheery news

02:13:38.840 --> 02:13:42.239
the the circular economy doesn't yet

02:13:42.319 --> 02:13:44.399
it's not it's not making money for us it

02:13:44.479 --> 02:13:48.079
is a cost to our community  and not

02:13:48.159 --> 02:13:50.359
creating the waste in the first places

02:13:50.439 --> 02:13:52.880
Council coats was saying is is very

02:13:52.960 --> 02:13:54.720
much what we should be started to think

02:13:54.800 --> 02:13:57.359
of and and look all the time at all of

02:13:57.439 --> 02:13:59.000
our circular economy loops and just

02:13:59.079 --> 02:14:00.439
seeing where the problems are and

02:14:00.520 --> 02:14:03.159
actually addressing them so it's it's

02:14:03.239 --> 02:14:04.520
great to engage and I think it's

02:14:04.600 --> 02:14:06.119
fantastic to do that but we still got to

02:14:06.199 --> 02:14:09.920
be  critical and  pragmatic as

02:14:10.000 --> 02:14:12.039
we look forward thank you councilor

02:14:12.119 --> 02:14:13.920
Harris councilor speaking against the

02:14:14.000 --> 02:14:16.960
motion speaking for the motion put the

02:14:17.039 --> 02:14:20.119
motion all those in favor the motion is

02:14:20.199 --> 02:14:23.920
carried councilor's item 8.3 is 26 of

02:14:24.000 --> 02:14:26.359
January

02:14:26.439 --> 02:14:30.920
conso I'm sorry councelor Taylor did you

02:14:31.000 --> 02:14:32.399
sorry I didn't even did you put your

02:14:32.479 --> 02:14:34.920
light on it didn't come up as on I'm

02:14:35.000 --> 02:14:37.560
happy to go back and

02:14:37.640 --> 02:14:41.079
sorry I'm happy to I did cast my eye by

02:14:41.159 --> 02:14:43.359
apologies I'm happy to go back and ask

02:14:43.439 --> 02:14:45.680
if you'd like to speak to the motion I

02:14:45.760 --> 02:14:47.640
did say a move

02:14:47.720 --> 02:14:49.960
so councelor

02:14:50.039 --> 02:14:52.239
Johnson well I mean the vote's been but

02:14:52.319 --> 02:14:53.920
if Mr Mayor will afford me the

02:14:54.000 --> 02:14:57.399
opportunity to speak  I will which

02:14:57.479 --> 02:15:00.560
is that  I'm grateful to the staff 

02:15:00.640 --> 02:15:02.079
who've put incredible amounts of work

02:15:02.159 --> 02:15:05.600
into this strategy however I'm not

02:15:05.680 --> 02:15:08.680
supportive of it purely around  purely

02:15:08.760 --> 02:15:11.079
in relation to the change in frequency

02:15:11.159 --> 02:15:14.119
of waste elction I do acknowledge that

02:15:14.199 --> 02:15:17.319
there is some very worthwhile work 

02:15:17.399 --> 02:15:18.720
contained within the

02:15:18.800 --> 02:15:22.399
strategy and the innovative solutions

02:15:22.479 --> 02:15:24.600
that our staff have developed de

02:15:24.680 --> 02:15:26.359
deserve High

02:15:26.439 --> 02:15:29.640
Praise I am concerned that the change to

02:15:29.720 --> 02:15:32.960
fortnightly waste collection rather than

02:15:33.039 --> 02:15:34.439
 weekly waste collection will

02:15:34.520 --> 02:15:37.000
disproportionately burden those in lower

02:15:37.079 --> 02:15:40.079
socioeconomic households across our city

02:15:40.159 --> 02:15:44.239
those people who have  other things on

02:15:44.319 --> 02:15:46.479
their mind day today rather than

02:15:46.560 --> 02:15:48.079
trying to reduce their waste I'm

02:15:48.159 --> 02:15:50.479
concerned about the likely buildup of

02:15:50.560 --> 02:15:53.479
waste in those households and I'm also

02:15:53.560 --> 02:15:55.520
concerned that for those who require an

02:15:55.600 --> 02:15:56.880
additional bin where they meet the

02:15:56.960 --> 02:16:00.560
criteria to actually  apply for one

02:16:00.640 --> 02:16:02.680
and and be accepted to receive one

02:16:02.760 --> 02:16:04.560
there'll be a charge associated with

02:16:04.640 --> 02:16:08.439
that we know that many people from 

02:16:08.520 --> 02:16:10.439
lower inome households across our city

02:16:10.520 --> 02:16:12.960
often have a large number of people

02:16:13.039 --> 02:16:14.880
living together so are more likely to

02:16:14.960 --> 02:16:17.640
generate higher levels of waste and we

02:16:17.720 --> 02:16:20.279
also know that you know many of us

02:16:20.359 --> 02:16:21.560
are incredibly lucky to have the

02:16:21.640 --> 02:16:23.479
capacity  and the

02:16:23.560 --> 02:16:26.279
education currently to be able to

02:16:26.359 --> 02:16:29.640
prioritize waste reduction and put

02:16:29.720 --> 02:16:31.520
into place measures to reduce our

02:16:31.600 --> 02:16:33.479
personel and household waste however

02:16:33.559 --> 02:16:35.360
there are many people across the city

02:16:35.440 --> 02:16:37.520
who aren't currently  in that position

02:16:37.600 --> 02:16:40.719
and even once we  introduce the food

02:16:40.799 --> 02:16:42.479
and organic service which I'm sure will

02:16:42.559 --> 02:16:44.920
be strongly utilized I still feel that

02:16:45.000 --> 02:16:49.360
there will be a big gap  where many

02:16:49.440 --> 02:16:52.479
residents in our city are worse off

02:16:52.559 --> 02:16:53.760
than

02:16:53.840 --> 02:16:56.920
before  and in my opinion I I strongly

02:16:57.000 --> 02:16:58.799
believe that we should have at least a

02:16:58.879 --> 02:17:01.120
six-month  crossover period where

02:17:01.200 --> 02:17:03.639
there where we introduce the food and

02:17:03.719 --> 02:17:05.319
Organics waste and we still have that

02:17:05.399 --> 02:17:07.079
Weekly waste collection until people get

02:17:07.159 --> 02:17:09.120
used to it and that we should be

02:17:09.200 --> 02:17:12.280
rolling out the education  and waste

02:17:12.360 --> 02:17:14.840
reduction strategy awareness and and

02:17:14.920 --> 02:17:18.440
information long before we  go down to

02:17:18.520 --> 02:17:19.920
just that Weekly collection but

02:17:20.000 --> 02:17:22.920
nonetheless thank you to the staff for

02:17:23.000 --> 02:17:24.479
all the work they've put into it I am

02:17:24.559 --> 02:17:25.920
genuinely grateful and thank you Mr

02:17:26.000 --> 02:17:27.200
Mayor for affording me the opportunity

02:17:27.280 --> 02:17:28.520
to speak thank you Council Johnson and

02:17:28.600 --> 02:17:31.639
Council tayor my apologies if I closed

02:17:31.719 --> 02:17:33.159
off I am happy to allow you the

02:17:33.239 --> 02:17:36.680
opportunity to voice concerns to the

02:17:36.760 --> 02:17:40.559
motion okay thank you counselors

02:17:40.639 --> 02:17:43.680
councilors we move on to item 8.3 which

02:17:43.760 --> 02:17:46.040
is the 26 of January consultation

02:17:46.120 --> 02:17:49.040
councelor Eddie I'll move happy to move

02:17:49.120 --> 02:17:50.920
is there a second of counselor 

02:17:51.000 --> 02:17:52.360
councelor Maloney is the second

02:17:52.440 --> 02:17:53.840
councelor

02:17:53.920 --> 02:17:58.559
Eddie  thank you Mr Mr Mayor and 

02:17:58.639 --> 02:18:00.440
counc to asked for this report to come

02:18:00.520 --> 02:18:04.360
back and for  feedback on  the

02:18:04.440 --> 02:18:06.200
success or otherwise of this year's

02:18:06.280 --> 02:18:08.840
Australia Day and  I again I want to

02:18:08.920 --> 02:18:10.920
commend the council officers for the the

02:18:11.000 --> 02:18:12.239
work they've done the research they've

02:18:12.319 --> 02:18:15.760
done and I think that you know while

02:18:15.840 --> 02:18:17.159
I'm sure there's many of many of the

02:18:17.239 --> 02:18:19.000
council group who have slightly

02:18:19.079 --> 02:18:21.639
different views on this particular issue

02:18:21.719 --> 02:18:24.200
on what's the right balance of where we

02:18:24.280 --> 02:18:28.239
go I I do think that  you know the 534

02:18:28.319 --> 02:18:31.399
survey responses we had gave us a good

02:18:31.479 --> 02:18:34.639
comfort that there is a fair balance

02:18:34.719 --> 02:18:37.639
and pleasingly for me people enjoyed all

02:18:37.719 --> 02:18:40.040
the activities on offer and the range of

02:18:40.120 --> 02:18:41.639
activities not one or the other it

02:18:41.719 --> 02:18:43.760
wasn't a divisive issue in any way as to

02:18:43.840 --> 02:18:45.239
what we were offering or what services

02:18:45.319 --> 02:18:47.159
were there or what we should continue to

02:18:47.239 --> 02:18:49.520
grow on so I just think it's a good time

02:18:49.600 --> 02:18:51.399
to pause and reflect to accept the

02:18:51.479 --> 02:18:53.879
officer recommendation to particularly

02:18:53.959 --> 02:18:55.280
as it says there to retain the current

02:18:55.360 --> 02:18:57.079
offerings and to give ourselves some

02:18:57.159 --> 02:18:59.680
breathing space to actually embed good

02:18:59.760 --> 02:19:01.520
practices and good events certainly not

02:19:01.600 --> 02:19:05.200
sit on our  on our Laurels and  not

02:19:05.280 --> 02:19:07.079
actually make them better events within

02:19:07.159 --> 02:19:09.000
the scope of what we've got and the

02:19:09.079 --> 02:19:11.040
significance of some the events that are

02:19:11.120 --> 02:19:13.639
particularly on that day but I I do

02:19:13.719 --> 02:19:16.879
think that without changing too much 

02:19:16.959 --> 02:19:18.520
of of the the goalpost of what we're

02:19:18.600 --> 02:19:20.799
doing I think we're on a good model the

02:19:20.879 --> 02:19:22.479
broadly the community supports and I

02:19:22.559 --> 02:19:24.559
think we can move forward from that it's

02:19:24.639 --> 02:19:26.159
a bit like the AFL football if they

02:19:26.239 --> 02:19:27.719
could just leave the rules alone for a

02:19:27.799 --> 02:19:29.840
while we might get some comfort from the

02:19:29.920 --> 02:19:31.719
community so I think we've got a good

02:19:31.799 --> 02:19:33.440
result here thank you thank you

02:19:33.520 --> 02:19:36.200
councelor Eddie Council Maloney is the

02:19:36.280 --> 02:19:39.319
second  thanks Mr Mayor this report as

02:19:39.399 --> 02:19:42.360
Council already said sort of sums up why

02:19:42.440 --> 02:19:44.280
this is such a difficult conversation to

02:19:44.360 --> 02:19:47.000
have sometimes and perhaps not

02:19:47.079 --> 02:19:50.719
surprisingly the  the consultation

02:19:50.799 --> 02:19:53.799
found that there's a lot of people that

02:19:53.879 --> 02:19:56.639
 want to have a day that celebrates

02:19:56.719 --> 02:19:58.200
being Australian and there's a lot of

02:19:58.280 --> 02:20:01.360
people that want a day that recognizes

02:20:01.440 --> 02:20:04.200
the significant harm that has been

02:20:04.280 --> 02:20:06.399
done to our first nation's people in

02:20:06.479 --> 02:20:08.159
the colonization of

02:20:08.239 --> 02:20:10.959
Australia it's hard to have it both ways

02:20:11.040 --> 02:20:12.760
and it's hard to actually do that and

02:20:12.840 --> 02:20:15.079
yet this Council has listened to the

02:20:15.159 --> 02:20:18.000
community and navigated a really

02:20:18.079 --> 02:20:21.799
difficult path and tried to find a way

02:20:21.879 --> 02:20:25.319
of being respectful while still to to to

02:20:25.399 --> 02:20:27.280
those that want to celebrate Australia

02:20:27.360 --> 02:20:29.520
while also recognizing some of the harms

02:20:29.600 --> 02:20:31.920
of the past and there's there's not a

02:20:32.000 --> 02:20:33.959
perfect outcome here there really isn't

02:20:34.040 --> 02:20:35.959
and this is I guess the great quandry of

02:20:36.040 --> 02:20:39.399
Australia Day really is how do we find

02:20:39.479 --> 02:20:42.159
in our nation the opportunity to

02:20:42.239 --> 02:20:45.280
celebrate while being respectful and I

02:20:45.360 --> 02:20:47.479
hope that one day as a future federal

02:20:47.559 --> 02:20:51.440
government that has the ability to

02:20:51.520 --> 02:20:55.159
have this honest conversation nationally

02:20:55.239 --> 02:20:57.600
last year's debate unfortunately

02:20:57.680 --> 02:20:58.840
around the referendshowed that that's

02:20:58.920 --> 02:21:01.719
probably some time away unfortunately

02:21:01.799 --> 02:21:03.639
and mean meanwhile there's a few hundred

02:21:03.719 --> 02:21:05.799
councils around Australia having this

02:21:05.879 --> 02:21:08.840
same debate and we're all trying to

02:21:08.920 --> 02:21:11.399
do the best to serve the sentiments of

02:21:11.479 --> 02:21:12.639
our different communities around the

02:21:12.719 --> 02:21:16.600
nation so this is It's a balance it's

02:21:16.680 --> 02:21:18.680
trying to

02:21:18.760 --> 02:21:21.920
to suit few objectives here but I'm

02:21:22.000 --> 02:21:24.360
also very proud that that this Council

02:21:24.440 --> 02:21:27.760
has made a decision to to for the

02:21:27.840 --> 02:21:30.799
most part be respectful of our first

02:21:30.879 --> 02:21:32.680
Nations people  we have a

02:21:32.760 --> 02:21:35.920
Reconciliation action plan that has

02:21:36.000 --> 02:21:38.239
been for the most part enacted and

02:21:38.319 --> 02:21:41.200
developed and evolved over time I've

02:21:41.280 --> 02:21:42.840
been proud to be part of an organization

02:21:42.920 --> 02:21:45.559
over the last eight years that is trying

02:21:45.639 --> 02:21:48.520
to continue to do better and I'm also

02:21:48.600 --> 02:21:50.760
proud that we also try to give our res

02:21:50.840 --> 02:21:52.879
plenty of opportunity to celebrate

02:21:52.959 --> 02:21:55.319
their city and their Nation as well and

02:21:55.399 --> 02:21:57.239
I'm looking forward to seeing some

02:21:57.319 --> 02:21:58.600
pretty impressive fireworks on New

02:21:58.680 --> 02:22:00.159
Year's Eve that's what we've resolved to

02:22:00.239 --> 02:22:03.680
do so if blowing up some fireworks is

02:22:03.760 --> 02:22:05.479
something the city loves to do and hey

02:22:05.559 --> 02:22:08.120
guilty of that as well hopefully New

02:22:08.200 --> 02:22:10.680
Year's Eve is a great way to to

02:22:10.760 --> 02:22:13.799
celebrate that difficult situation

02:22:13.879 --> 02:22:15.280
but for now I guess this sort of shows

02:22:15.360 --> 02:22:17.639
that we've sort of got the balance right

02:22:17.719 --> 02:22:19.000
thank you Council Maloney is there

02:22:19.079 --> 02:22:20.559
Council wishing to speak against the

02:22:20.639 --> 02:22:25.520
motion speaking for the motion councilor

02:22:26.120 --> 02:22:30.600
coats  yes so happy to note the report

02:22:30.680 --> 02:22:33.600
and  recognize the work that's been

02:22:33.680 --> 02:22:35.799
done  essentially though the

02:22:35.879 --> 02:22:37.840
consultation doesn't actually tell us

02:22:37.920 --> 02:22:41.120
anything we didn't already know we

02:22:41.200 --> 02:22:44.200
already knew that there were mixed mixed

02:22:44.280 --> 02:22:49.040
views on this what it it does it does

02:22:49.120 --> 02:22:52.000
confirm though

02:22:52.079 --> 02:22:55.920
that there there is there's still a lot

02:22:56.000 --> 02:22:58.479
of work to to do in terms of steps

02:22:58.559 --> 02:23:02.520
towards reconciliation and  and truth

02:23:02.600 --> 02:23:05.719
truth telling

02:23:05.799 --> 02:23:09.879
it was touched on that the the

02:23:09.959 --> 02:23:13.920
referendlast year was extremely

02:23:14.000 --> 02:23:16.920
extremely difficult and and members of

02:23:17.000 --> 02:23:19.239
the community members of the career

02:23:19.319 --> 02:23:21.360
engagement actually group and also the

02:23:21.440 --> 02:23:23.639
Intercultural advisory committee are are

02:23:23.719 --> 02:23:25.719
still feeling the effects of the

02:23:25.799 --> 02:23:28.719
backlash of racism in the community

02:23:28.799 --> 02:23:32.479
that's that's not that's not

02:23:32.559 --> 02:23:35.600
confined to us here in in Bat that is is

02:23:35.680 --> 02:23:38.440
a spike across the the board and is is

02:23:38.520 --> 02:23:43.760
very concerning so I note that we we

02:23:43.840 --> 02:23:46.760
do still have a draft reconciliation

02:23:46.840 --> 02:23:49.479
action plan to to consider as part of

02:23:49.559 --> 02:23:54.959
this this ter of of council and in

02:23:55.040 --> 02:23:56.799
much as it's been mentioned there has

02:23:56.879 --> 02:23:59.520
been work done and some progress there

02:23:59.600 --> 02:24:02.319
there's still  a long way to go in

02:24:02.399 --> 02:24:06.079
terms of bringing the whole Community

02:24:06.159 --> 02:24:09.159
along with with truth telling and steps

02:24:09.239 --> 02:24:13.120
towards recognition  reconciliation

02:24:13.200 --> 02:24:18.040
sorry so yeah I I would would just

02:24:18.120 --> 02:24:20.440
note that it is great to to celebrate

02:24:20.520 --> 02:24:22.360
great that's terrific but true

02:24:22.440 --> 02:24:24.559
reconciliation and Truth telling

02:24:24.639 --> 02:24:26.799
involves it does involve more than

02:24:26.879 --> 02:24:28.879
celebration and ribbing cutting and

02:24:28.959 --> 02:24:31.200
photo opportunities that involves being

02:24:31.280 --> 02:24:34.319
an ally when the cameras are off too so

02:24:34.399 --> 02:24:37.120
work to do but happy to note the

02:24:37.200 --> 02:24:39.600
report and recognize the considerations

02:24:39.680 --> 02:24:42.799
of the engagement it it tells us what we

02:24:42.879 --> 02:24:45.040
we probably already knew thank you

02:24:45.120 --> 02:24:47.360
councilor coats councilor Johnson

02:24:47.440 --> 02:24:49.239
speaking for the motion yes for the

02:24:49.319 --> 02:24:52.280
motion Mr I will note however similar to

02:24:52.360 --> 02:24:54.319
what councelor coach said we we already

02:24:54.399 --> 02:24:56.000
knew this

02:24:56.079 --> 02:24:59.280
I appreciate the work undertaken but

02:24:59.360 --> 02:25:02.639
I'm unsure if it was really necessary we

02:25:02.719 --> 02:25:04.079
we do know that there are people in our

02:25:04.159 --> 02:25:06.520
community who enjoy the opportunity to

02:25:06.600 --> 02:25:08.520
celebrate our great country of Australia

02:25:08.600 --> 02:25:11.000
on Australia Day and for others whom it

02:25:11.079 --> 02:25:13.399
can be quite a difficult day and

02:25:13.479 --> 02:25:16.639
represents the coming of  white man to

02:25:16.719 --> 02:25:18.559
Australia and the start of a lot of

02:25:18.639 --> 02:25:21.879
awful things for our Aboriginal

02:25:21.959 --> 02:25:24.760
Australians I I do find it a tiny bit

02:25:24.840 --> 02:25:26.600
condescending the line that that there

02:25:26.680 --> 02:25:29.479
is a lot of work to do within our

02:25:29.559 --> 02:25:31.280
community just because people might have

02:25:31.360 --> 02:25:34.799
different views about how the day how

02:25:34.879 --> 02:25:36.079
you know what they should do on the day

02:25:36.159 --> 02:25:37.360
or what they should want to do on the

02:25:37.440 --> 02:25:40.399
day in my opinion  we as councilors

02:25:40.479 --> 02:25:43.319
are here to represent our community and

02:25:43.399 --> 02:25:46.280
it's not our job 

02:25:46.360 --> 02:25:49.399
to to tell our community how to think or

02:25:49.479 --> 02:25:53.600
how to feel it's the Australia Day 

02:25:53.680 --> 02:25:55.159
and the date of Australia Day is an

02:25:55.239 --> 02:25:58.239
issue that Sparks a lot of really

02:25:58.319 --> 02:26:00.360
passionate feelings and debate in the

02:26:00.440 --> 02:26:03.600
community and that's unfortunate but

02:26:03.680 --> 02:26:05.680
our job as a council is to ensure that

02:26:05.760 --> 02:26:09.079
we provide a range of events that allow

02:26:09.159 --> 02:26:11.479
people  from both camps and those in

02:26:11.559 --> 02:26:14.079
between with an opportunity

02:26:14.159 --> 02:26:17.120
to spend the day doing something that

02:26:17.200 --> 02:26:19.040
is Meaningful to them and I think it

02:26:19.120 --> 02:26:20.600
confirms that we've got the bance of

02:26:20.680 --> 02:26:22.920
activities correct in regard what in

02:26:23.000 --> 02:26:24.760
regard to what we what we do offer on

02:26:24.840 --> 02:26:27.120
the day currently I'm certainly glad

02:26:27.200 --> 02:26:29.120
that we've moved away from fireworks on

02:26:29.200 --> 02:26:30.959
January 26th that was something that

02:26:31.040 --> 02:26:34.120
took me a while to get to that position

02:26:34.200 --> 02:26:35.399
and our community has been on that

02:26:35.479 --> 02:26:39.079
Journey as well but yeah

02:26:39.159 --> 02:26:41.559
I I think we've got the mix right I

02:26:41.639 --> 02:26:43.799
don't think it's our job as councilors

02:26:43.879 --> 02:26:45.959
to tell our community how to feel

02:26:46.040 --> 02:26:48.440
about January 26th but it is our job to

02:26:48.520 --> 02:26:51.479
ensure that we've got  a host events

02:26:51.559 --> 02:26:53.840
that that cater to what people would

02:26:53.920 --> 02:26:55.879
like to do on the day and just to

02:26:55.959 --> 02:26:58.719
wrap up Mr Mayor yeah moving forward I

02:26:58.799 --> 02:27:02.079
think it's important to consider whether

02:27:02.159 --> 02:27:04.000
 work like this is really necessary

02:27:04.079 --> 02:27:06.280
when we can already tell simply by

02:27:06.360 --> 02:27:08.559
observing  the discussions and debates

02:27:08.639 --> 02:27:10.520
within our community what the likely

02:27:10.600 --> 02:27:12.639
split ority is thank you councelor

02:27:12.719 --> 02:27:14.959
Johnson Council wishing to speak against

02:27:15.040 --> 02:27:17.840
the motion speak for the motion Council

02:27:17.920 --> 02:27:20.159
McIntosh  through you Mr Mayor

02:27:20.239 --> 02:27:22.319
following on in a similar vein to a

02:27:22.399 --> 02:27:23.520
couple of the other councilor

02:27:23.600 --> 02:27:26.079
conversations already I do think we've

02:27:26.159 --> 02:27:28.360
got this right and I do think that there

02:27:28.440 --> 02:27:31.760
was a clear message before  we have a

02:27:31.840 --> 02:27:35.719
diverse Community we have a community 

02:27:35.799 --> 02:27:37.879
that has many different views and that's

02:27:37.959 --> 02:27:40.639
the wonderful thing about balarat and

02:27:40.719 --> 02:27:44.079
about our country  about our democracy

02:27:44.159 --> 02:27:46.600
the opportunity for our community to be

02:27:46.680 --> 02:27:48.920
able to attend whether it be the

02:27:49.000 --> 02:27:51.399
survival day the dawn service or the

02:27:51.479 --> 02:27:54.959
picnic up at the park I attended both

02:27:55.040 --> 02:27:56.280
and and I thought they were both

02:27:56.360 --> 02:27:58.760
beautiful and I thought that the people

02:27:58.840 --> 02:28:01.079
that were at both of those different

02:28:01.159 --> 02:28:05.239
events  were there because they felt

02:28:05.319 --> 02:28:08.000
it was the right space for them to be

02:28:08.079 --> 02:28:10.440
and a very important place and a great

02:28:10.520 --> 02:28:13.639
opportunity for them to be able to be

02:28:13.719 --> 02:28:16.360
part of and surrounded by people that

02:28:16.440 --> 02:28:18.719
have a similar way of of thinking as

02:28:18.799 --> 02:28:23.360
them and what we saw in that in those

02:28:23.440 --> 02:28:25.079
two particular events and there was more

02:28:25.159 --> 02:28:26.559
than those two events as we know there

02:28:26.639 --> 02:28:29.200
was citizenship ceremony and and other

02:28:29.280 --> 02:28:31.399
events other activities as well was

02:28:31.479 --> 02:28:33.559
people felt they had the right place to

02:28:33.639 --> 02:28:37.440
go and that's our role as a council to

02:28:37.520 --> 02:28:39.559
listen to everyone's views and we don't

02:28:39.639 --> 02:28:42.120
need to work on the people that have a

02:28:42.200 --> 02:28:45.680
different view to us the opportunity

02:28:45.760 --> 02:28:48.120
that I believe that we're offering our

02:28:48.200 --> 02:28:51.879
community is a real really fair one a

02:28:51.959 --> 02:28:54.399
good balance and clearly this piece of

02:28:54.479 --> 02:28:57.479
Works shows that we've listened to our

02:28:57.559 --> 02:28:59.600
community and we've provided them what

02:28:59.680 --> 02:29:03.079
they want that's our job our role as

02:29:03.159 --> 02:29:06.200
councilors is to listen to our community

02:29:06.280 --> 02:29:08.200
and to be as responsive as we possibly

02:29:08.280 --> 02:29:10.200
can and I believe in this case we've

02:29:10.280 --> 02:29:13.639
provided something for everyone and 

02:29:13.719 --> 02:29:15.520
and I think too there's there's

02:29:15.600 --> 02:29:17.680
obviously a clear message there with a

02:29:17.760 --> 02:29:19.440
number of people talking about the

02:29:19.520 --> 02:29:20.680
fireworks

02:29:20.760 --> 02:29:24.360
however we had as this consultation

02:29:24.440 --> 02:29:28.040
piece requested and made it clear

02:29:28.120 --> 02:29:31.000
that there was the New Year's Eve

02:29:31.079 --> 02:29:33.760
opportunity for the fireworks as well 

02:29:33.840 --> 02:29:36.280
we've got some feedback it tells us

02:29:36.360 --> 02:29:37.959
probably what many of us thought we were

02:29:38.040 --> 02:29:40.399
going to see but that's the important

02:29:40.479 --> 02:29:41.760
piece of work that I think that we've

02:29:41.840 --> 02:29:43.639
done and we've done it well thank you

02:29:43.719 --> 02:29:46.159
councelor McIntosh Council Harris

02:29:46.239 --> 02:29:47.680
speaking for the motion against the

02:29:47.760 --> 02:29:50.479
motion I'm for it thank you C

02:29:50.559 --> 02:29:53.440
how many I've been four actually but

02:29:53.520 --> 02:29:56.000
no look it's I was thinking much to

02:29:56.079 --> 02:29:57.120
some of things some of other councils

02:29:57.200 --> 02:29:58.600
like when you're looking what a total

02:29:58.680 --> 02:30:00.760
waste all we've done is taken a survey

02:30:00.840 --> 02:30:02.079
of the bleeding obvious and it's been

02:30:02.159 --> 02:30:04.600
reflected back at us but in reality I

02:30:04.680 --> 02:30:06.200
think that sort of has helped in a weird

02:30:06.280 --> 02:30:07.959
sort of way I think it it you know we've

02:30:08.040 --> 02:30:10.280
acknowledged that people want to attend

02:30:10.360 --> 02:30:12.799
both of the events that we that we

02:30:12.879 --> 02:30:15.079
sponsor across it you know and and I

02:30:15.159 --> 02:30:17.760
think the other thing too one wonders

02:30:17.840 --> 02:30:19.920
you know if there's a space for local

02:30:20.000 --> 02:30:22.000
government to maybe just diffuse stuff a

02:30:22.079 --> 02:30:23.879
little bit better than we do you know

02:30:23.959 --> 02:30:26.360
like when there might be a bright future

02:30:26.440 --> 02:30:28.040
where there's some crazy cooker with a

02:30:28.120 --> 02:30:30.760
red ENT on his back actually says oh

02:30:30.840 --> 02:30:32.239
what this happen on a different day you

02:30:32.319 --> 02:30:34.639
know I mean like it's it's not immutable

02:30:34.719 --> 02:30:36.479
that we use this as the culture War par

02:30:36.559 --> 02:30:38.319
Excellence you know there might be a way

02:30:38.399 --> 02:30:40.840
you know through it so I'm happy with

02:30:40.920 --> 02:30:42.159
it I think it acknowledges what our

02:30:42.239 --> 02:30:44.479
community is saying I person don't like

02:30:44.559 --> 02:30:48.799
it on that date you know it's it's I

02:30:48.879 --> 02:30:51.520
still want to celebrate you know the the

02:30:51.600 --> 02:30:53.239
experiment that Australia is it's a

02:30:53.319 --> 02:30:54.799
success it's Multicultural it's

02:30:54.879 --> 02:30:57.360
fantastic you know so there are probably

02:30:57.440 --> 02:30:59.680
lessons for us for us in it  and I

02:30:59.760 --> 02:31:01.520
think it might help us to you know just

02:31:01.600 --> 02:31:03.159
diffuse it even as we go through the

02:31:03.239 --> 02:31:05.239
next few years to reflect on this little

02:31:05.319 --> 02:31:07.079
bit of work and say well you know it is

02:31:07.159 --> 02:31:09.639
what it is thank you councilor Harris

02:31:09.719 --> 02:31:12.959
Council speaking for the motion against

02:31:13.040 --> 02:31:15.600
the motion for the motion coun Eddie

02:31:15.680 --> 02:31:18.520
given my brevity in U my moving the

02:31:18.600 --> 02:31:20.920
motion I wondered whether I could make a

02:31:21.000 --> 02:31:24.399
very brief summary comment at the end

02:31:24.479 --> 02:31:27.559
Council Eddie in the in the spirit of

02:31:27.639 --> 02:31:29.440
being reasonableness I'm happy for it

02:31:29.520 --> 02:31:31.680
will be very brief I just wanted to to

02:31:31.760 --> 02:31:34.239
to make the point thanks Mr Mayor that

02:31:34.319 --> 02:31:36.040
 a number of people said we didn't

02:31:36.120 --> 02:31:37.959
need to you know this has told us what

02:31:38.040 --> 02:31:40.479
we needed to know and I agree with that

02:31:40.559 --> 02:31:41.959
what has done has given officer

02:31:42.040 --> 02:31:43.239
certainty that can get on with the job

02:31:43.319 --> 02:31:46.000
of doing next year because because of

02:31:46.079 --> 02:31:47.920
the sensitivity of the nature and the

02:31:48.000 --> 02:31:51.079
diversity of views I think the

02:31:51.159 --> 02:31:53.479
not having a formal position after last

02:31:53.559 --> 02:31:55.760
year left the door open to coming to

02:31:55.840 --> 02:31:57.799
November and someone saying well let's

02:31:57.879 --> 02:31:59.959
do something different so I don't think

02:32:00.040 --> 02:32:02.159
it's been a waste of time and I do

02:32:02.239 --> 02:32:03.600
respect everyone's views in the room

02:32:03.680 --> 02:32:05.639
tonight but I think it's a good

02:32:05.719 --> 02:32:08.360
conversation and a good report to have

02:32:08.440 --> 02:32:11.120
come back just so that we can clear the

02:32:11.200 --> 02:32:13.280
decks of it we can all move forward a

02:32:13.360 --> 02:32:14.959
good spirit of saying where we go next

02:32:15.040 --> 02:32:17.680
year thank you thank you councel Ed

02:32:17.760 --> 02:32:19.360
councilors if there's no other Council

02:32:19.440 --> 02:32:21.040
wish just speak for the motion or

02:32:21.120 --> 02:32:22.799
against the motion I'll put the motion

02:32:22.879 --> 02:32:26.920
all those in favor the motion is carried

02:32:27.000 --> 02:32:29.120
council's item 8.4 is social and

02:32:29.200 --> 02:32:32.360
affordable housing councelor coats we to

02:32:32.440 --> 02:32:33.719
move is there a council wishing to

02:32:33.799 --> 02:32:35.799
Second councelor Taylor councelor coats

02:32:35.879 --> 02:32:38.159
you have the

02:32:38.239 --> 02:32:40.760
floor  yes I'm really pleased to see

02:32:40.840 --> 02:32:44.040
this work come forward it's actually a

02:32:44.120 --> 02:32:48.559
huge relief given given that during

02:32:48.639 --> 02:32:52.079
during my time on Council I've I've

02:32:52.159 --> 02:32:55.760
never been aware of such an unprecedent

02:32:55.840 --> 02:32:58.639
pres unprecedented amount of reports

02:32:58.719 --> 02:33:01.200
relating to people sleeping rough and

02:33:01.280 --> 02:33:03.479
seeking housing assistance and

02:33:03.559 --> 02:33:06.479
homelessness services so they and we're

02:33:06.559 --> 02:33:08.840
we're certainly not alone in that it's

02:33:08.920 --> 02:33:11.200
it's a spike across the board there are

02:33:11.280 --> 02:33:15.200
many many areas in Australia facing

02:33:15.280 --> 02:33:17.399
facing similar challenges and in some of

02:33:17.479 --> 02:33:20.079
the metropolitan areas it's it's much

02:33:20.159 --> 02:33:24.159
worse so everything from 

02:33:24.239 --> 02:33:27.840
challenges with supply of housing

02:33:27.920 --> 02:33:30.760
across the the housing Spectrfrom

02:33:30.840 --> 02:33:32.319
crisis and

02:33:32.399 --> 02:33:34.799
emergency accommodation through to

02:33:34.879 --> 02:33:38.639
Affordable and private rentals so

02:33:38.719 --> 02:33:41.200
yeah so we know that bat's been hovering

02:33:41.280 --> 02:33:45.520
around only 1% rental availability for

02:33:45.600 --> 02:33:48.440
for quite some time now which makes it

02:33:48.520 --> 02:33:50.440
really challenging what that means in in

02:33:50.520 --> 02:33:53.159
real terms is that when people turn up

02:33:53.239 --> 02:33:56.079
to apply for a rental property it's like

02:33:56.159 --> 02:33:59.399
being in Melbourne there are 10 20 30

02:33:59.479 --> 02:34:01.280
other people applying for the same

02:34:01.360 --> 02:34:04.440
property people don't get a reason as to

02:34:04.520 --> 02:34:07.520
why they're they're rejected so look we

02:34:07.600 --> 02:34:12.719
we just know that there are visible

02:34:12.799 --> 02:34:15.079
instances of people sleeping rough but

02:34:15.159 --> 02:34:17.440
we also know there's a lot of invisible

02:34:17.520 --> 02:34:20.239
homelessness and housing insecurity

02:34:20.319 --> 02:34:23.239
as well

02:34:23.319 --> 02:34:26.840
so increasingly significant

02:34:26.920 --> 02:34:29.280
percentage of households in valado are

02:34:29.360 --> 02:34:34.040
experiencing housing stress  which

02:34:34.120 --> 02:34:36.360
which could mean paying too much for

02:34:36.440 --> 02:34:38.799
rent paying a a huge amount for for the

02:34:38.879 --> 02:34:42.239
rent that that they have in the main

02:34:42.319 --> 02:34:45.200
it's the result of failure at state and

02:34:45.280 --> 02:34:47.760
federal government levels for decades

02:34:47.840 --> 02:34:50.559
around provision of of social and public

02:34:50.639 --> 02:34:53.719
housing particularly public housing

02:34:53.799 --> 02:34:58.319
and there's been a reluctance from

02:34:58.399 --> 02:35:02.680
from councils to get involved in in

02:35:02.760 --> 02:35:05.440
the housing space it's not primarily our

02:35:05.520 --> 02:35:09.159
responsibility but we have a significant

02:35:09.239 --> 02:35:12.040
role to play in advocacy and doing work

02:35:12.120 --> 02:35:15.600
on on the ground to really to really

02:35:15.680 --> 02:35:17.920
make a difference so my only

02:35:18.000 --> 02:35:19.600
disappointment with this work is that

02:35:19.680 --> 02:35:21.840
but it wasn't done 10 years ago when

02:35:21.920 --> 02:35:25.040
when officers had made

02:35:25.120 --> 02:35:27.159
recommendations and had identified some

02:35:27.239 --> 02:35:29.079
of these issues around the lack of

02:35:29.159 --> 02:35:32.079
diversity in housing that we had in Bat

02:35:32.159 --> 02:35:34.399
back then so it has been an emerging

02:35:34.479 --> 02:35:37.959
problem for at least a decade so we have

02:35:38.040 --> 02:35:41.840
 very little in the way of

02:35:41.920 --> 02:35:45.200
one and two bedroom apartments we

02:35:45.280 --> 02:35:47.200
have a lot in the way of three and four

02:35:47.280 --> 02:35:49.559
bedroom houses on on a big block that

02:35:49.639 --> 02:35:51.479
that are simply just not affordable for

02:35:51.559 --> 02:35:55.600
people who want to to rent we have

02:35:55.680 --> 02:35:57.799
very little in the way of public housing

02:35:57.879 --> 02:36:01.520
in in Bat so so great to see an

02:36:01.600 --> 02:36:03.840
action plan that really focuses on the

02:36:03.920 --> 02:36:06.319
things that we can do so auditing the

02:36:06.399 --> 02:36:10.120
land so that includes privately owned

02:36:10.200 --> 02:36:14.040
land Community owned land public

02:36:14.120 --> 02:36:16.440
State and Council owned so really

02:36:16.520 --> 02:36:19.840
looking at what what we've got so if

02:36:19.920 --> 02:36:21.680
there are opportunities that are really

02:36:21.760 --> 02:36:24.239
well located near services near schools

02:36:24.319 --> 02:36:26.840
and shops and public transport that

02:36:26.920 --> 02:36:29.760
those locations can be identified and

02:36:29.840 --> 02:36:33.159
that links in really well with the

02:36:33.239 --> 02:36:35.319
the housing strategy that's underway

02:36:35.399 --> 02:36:38.920
that hopefully we will see  over the

02:36:39.000 --> 02:36:42.680
next couple of Council meetings as well

02:36:42.760 --> 02:36:46.159
so policy and planning work is is

02:36:46.239 --> 02:36:48.040
really important and the community

02:36:48.120 --> 02:36:50.200
engagement so there's a lot of work to

02:36:50.280 --> 02:36:52.479
do in working in

02:36:52.559 --> 02:36:55.879
in close in close partnership with

02:36:55.959 --> 02:36:58.360
the community really really educating

02:36:58.440 --> 02:37:00.680
the community about some of the reasons

02:37:00.760 --> 02:37:03.399
why people experience homelessness and

02:37:03.479 --> 02:37:06.280
housing stress so it's not just visible

02:37:06.360 --> 02:37:09.159
Housing Council Council laws have had a

02:37:09.239 --> 02:37:11.879
briefing about the significant impact of

02:37:11.959 --> 02:37:15.959
Family Violence on housing insecurity

02:37:16.040 --> 02:37:18.879
for women and families in in Bat we

02:37:18.959 --> 02:37:20.840
we're not alone in that but our rates

02:37:20.920 --> 02:37:24.680
are very very high of of women escaping

02:37:24.760 --> 02:37:27.399
domestic violence older women older

02:37:27.479 --> 02:37:31.079
women who have Financial insecurity

02:37:31.159 --> 02:37:35.079
being unable to find  affordable

02:37:35.159 --> 02:37:38.399
housing and young people too so working

02:37:38.479 --> 02:37:41.440
in really close partnership with the

02:37:41.520 --> 02:37:44.280
services who are at the cace services

02:37:44.360 --> 02:37:47.000
like uniting and the other homelessness

02:37:47.079 --> 02:37:49.639
Services the the network the

02:37:49.719 --> 02:37:53.000
Highlands  Housing Partnership as well

02:37:53.079 --> 02:37:55.360
Consulting with them and really really

02:37:55.440 --> 02:37:58.319
looking at where we're best place to to

02:37:58.399 --> 02:38:01.559
do our work to do our advocacy and be

02:38:01.639 --> 02:38:05.000
guided by really strong principles as

02:38:05.079 --> 02:38:07.840
well so really

02:38:07.920 --> 02:38:10.760
really relieved to see this work

02:38:10.840 --> 02:38:13.239
coming forward and hopefully it will be

02:38:13.319 --> 02:38:16.399
unanimously supported by by counselors

02:38:16.479 --> 02:38:19.959
so one one of the interesting side

02:38:20.040 --> 02:38:23.959
facts that I found in in  in doing a

02:38:24.040 --> 02:38:26.319
bit of research is very hard to to find

02:38:26.399 --> 02:38:28.840
out at any one given time how many

02:38:28.920 --> 02:38:31.200
people are actually sleeping rough in

02:38:31.280 --> 02:38:34.399
the city but we know it's visible and

02:38:34.479 --> 02:38:36.399
it's definitely increased and I won't

02:38:36.479 --> 02:38:38.840
name the the locations that that people

02:38:38.920 --> 02:38:41.360
are popping up all over the city and bat

02:38:41.440 --> 02:38:44.200
is cold it's very cold so the sort of

02:38:44.280 --> 02:38:47.520
people sleeping rough is terrible but

02:38:47.600 --> 02:38:49.920
there's also you know on top of of that

02:38:50.000 --> 02:38:52.360
there's there's the homelessness and

02:38:52.440 --> 02:38:55.639
housing insecurity that we don't see

02:38:55.719 --> 02:38:58.440
people sleeping in cars or or couch

02:38:58.520 --> 02:39:02.239
surfing those sorts of issues as well

02:39:02.319 --> 02:39:04.920
and one of the things that we we may not

02:39:05.000 --> 02:39:07.959
be so aware of as well is that it's not

02:39:08.040 --> 02:39:10.159
just people on income support it's

02:39:10.239 --> 02:39:13.040
people who are employed as well a really

02:39:13.120 --> 02:39:14.639
terrible

02:39:14.719 --> 02:39:18.280
statistic is that last year

02:39:18.360 --> 02:39:21.479
331 people who were employed in Bat

02:39:21.559 --> 02:39:24.079
sought homelessness assistance in Bat

02:39:24.159 --> 02:39:27.680
from local services and 61% of those

02:39:27.760 --> 02:39:30.079
people were women so that that's a lot

02:39:30.159 --> 02:39:33.520
of people who are in a job  and that

02:39:33.600 --> 02:39:37.040
are worried about becoming homeless so

02:39:37.120 --> 02:39:39.959
it's just things like that that I

02:39:40.040 --> 02:39:41.719
think really really need that broad

02:39:41.799 --> 02:39:44.159
Community Education that it's not it's

02:39:44.239 --> 02:39:46.479
not just the stereotypes of who who we

02:39:46.559 --> 02:39:50.479
think the homeless person person is it's

02:39:50.559 --> 02:39:52.959
 it's a really broad range of people

02:39:53.040 --> 02:39:56.079
who are affected by housing insecurity

02:39:56.159 --> 02:40:00.239
and yeah we should all get behind

02:40:00.319 --> 02:40:04.280
this work and  and Empower officers to

02:40:04.360 --> 02:40:07.000
enact some of those direct actions that

02:40:07.079 --> 02:40:09.520
we can undertake thank you councelor

02:40:09.600 --> 02:40:11.959
coach councelor Taylor is the second

02:40:12.040 --> 02:40:14.239
thank you Mr Mayor as much as I'm

02:40:14.319 --> 02:40:17.239
supporting and seconding this  I kind

02:40:17.319 --> 02:40:18.639
of don't agree with some of the stuff

02:40:18.719 --> 02:40:20.959
the council said a lot of this issue

02:40:21.040 --> 02:40:22.719
that we have in relation to Social and

02:40:22.799 --> 02:40:24.799
affordable housing it's a role that

02:40:24.879 --> 02:40:26.799
Council can play in from an advocacy

02:40:26.879 --> 02:40:28.680
point of view on a support point of view

02:40:28.760 --> 02:40:31.120
but there are billions of dollars

02:40:31.200 --> 02:40:32.479
billions I woke up a couple of those

02:40:32.559 --> 02:40:34.000
offices they weren't listening billions

02:40:34.079 --> 02:40:36.639
of dollars that goes into housing the

02:40:36.719 --> 02:40:38.600
federal government has coughed up a what

02:40:38.680 --> 02:40:41.639
is it 1.7 billion the state government

02:40:41.719 --> 02:40:43.000
all this money is coming now because

02:40:43.079 --> 02:40:45.719
it's election time but it's not this

02:40:45.799 --> 02:40:47.799
should be done years ago it's a failure

02:40:47.879 --> 02:40:51.000
of government in we can clearly see five

02:40:51.079 --> 02:40:53.920
over 5,000 people are on  looking for

02:40:54.000 --> 02:40:55.639
social or affordable housing right now

02:40:55.719 --> 02:40:58.319
in borad we have rough sleepers that are

02:40:58.399 --> 02:40:59.559
probably over the hundred that are

02:40:59.639 --> 02:41:01.319
looking for for a premise right now that

02:41:01.399 --> 02:41:03.159
are rough sleeping this is an issue we

02:41:03.239 --> 02:41:05.239
have an issue in relation to our rental

02:41:05.319 --> 02:41:07.440
market in Baller in relation to housing

02:41:07.520 --> 02:41:09.600
and we're right down to the single digit

02:41:09.680 --> 02:41:12.719
1 point something per of  of rental

02:41:12.799 --> 02:41:14.520
availabilities in the city and the costs

02:41:14.600 --> 02:41:16.280
of rentals now are going up it's not

02:41:16.360 --> 02:41:18.200
affordable to rent let alone to buy a

02:41:18.280 --> 02:41:20.479
house that's not city of bat's role

02:41:20.559 --> 02:41:21.840
that's actually the market but the

02:41:21.920 --> 02:41:23.799
government who plays A A Part in that

02:41:23.879 --> 02:41:26.120
market and we've clearly seen that the

02:41:26.200 --> 02:41:27.959
market is disappearing from a rental

02:41:28.040 --> 02:41:29.440
we're starting to see the housing market

02:41:29.520 --> 02:41:32.280
slow down and sadly the social housing

02:41:32.360 --> 02:41:33.879
in the city is not increasing in

02:41:33.959 --> 02:41:35.760
relation to the build we still look at

02:41:35.840 --> 02:41:38.719
leara cresant with the open pastures of

02:41:38.799 --> 02:41:40.600
planes that need to be mowed because the

02:41:40.680 --> 02:41:42.520
houses were knocked down displaced the

02:41:42.600 --> 02:41:44.760
people that live there the parents the

02:41:44.840 --> 02:41:46.799
kids to somewhere else into a social

02:41:46.879 --> 02:41:49.680
house and can't Jolly well rebuild it it

02:41:49.760 --> 02:41:52.000
to bring more people in this is an issue

02:41:52.079 --> 02:41:54.399
that's clearly here and Council yes we

02:41:54.479 --> 02:41:57.200
have a role to Advocate and support but

02:41:57.280 --> 02:41:58.760
the millions and billions of dollars

02:41:58.840 --> 02:42:00.159
goes into is the state and federal

02:42:00.239 --> 02:42:02.040
government's responsibility they need to

02:42:02.120 --> 02:42:03.559
get their act together they need to work

02:42:03.639 --> 02:42:04.959
with agencies and they need to get on

02:42:05.040 --> 02:42:09.000
and build it we can do a smidgen amount

02:42:09.079 --> 02:42:11.559
and our paper we've got's great it's

02:42:11.639 --> 02:42:13.959
great it's fantastic but it's words on

02:42:14.040 --> 02:42:16.479
paper to what actually needs to happen

02:42:16.559 --> 02:42:18.120
and it's not our role to do it all we

02:42:18.200 --> 02:42:19.959
can do is support but I do second what

02:42:20.040 --> 02:42:22.879
we've got thank you councelor Taylor

02:42:22.959 --> 02:42:25.399
Council speaking against the motion

02:42:25.479 --> 02:42:29.920
speaking for the motion Council

02:42:30.000 --> 02:42:32.479
Maloney not quite sure how to respond to

02:42:32.559 --> 02:42:35.079
council Taylor's passion plea because he

02:42:35.159 --> 02:42:37.479
wake me up which was great thank you

02:42:37.559 --> 02:42:40.360
and but so to did counselor coat's

02:42:40.440 --> 02:42:42.520
comments as well about the dire

02:42:42.600 --> 02:42:44.200
situation our city finds ourselves in so

02:42:44.280 --> 02:42:45.559
find myself agreeing with both of you

02:42:45.639 --> 02:42:47.479
counselors really

02:42:47.559 --> 02:42:50.399
because at the end of the day though

02:42:50.479 --> 02:42:52.000
where where I wanted to make a point is

02:42:52.079 --> 02:42:54.399
that it none of us get off the hook for

02:42:54.479 --> 02:42:58.239
saying it's always someone else's issue

02:42:58.319 --> 02:43:03.159
we it is a social issue we have as as

02:43:03.239 --> 02:43:04.719
a council we have the ability to

02:43:04.799 --> 02:43:06.799
strongly influence and yeah Council

02:43:06.879 --> 02:43:08.159
councel Taylor I agree it's it's it's

02:43:08.239 --> 02:43:10.520
largely advocacy but it's also the

02:43:10.600 --> 02:43:12.520
decisions we make in terms of our our

02:43:12.600 --> 02:43:14.840
land availability as a report said and

02:43:14.920 --> 02:43:16.799
the report does say that we are we

02:43:16.879 --> 02:43:20.280
support and very strong articulate

02:43:20.360 --> 02:43:22.520
that the lead responsibility is with

02:43:22.600 --> 02:43:23.680
the state and federal governments

02:43:23.760 --> 02:43:25.280
completely agree with that that's where

02:43:25.360 --> 02:43:27.559
the money is as Council Taylor says but

02:43:27.639 --> 02:43:28.799
we don't get to walk away from the

02:43:28.879 --> 02:43:31.680
problem and I think this this report

02:43:31.760 --> 02:43:33.840
says that so you know I appreciate both

02:43:33.920 --> 02:43:36.440
of the arguments just presented

02:43:36.520 --> 02:43:38.879
this is this is an issue for all of

02:43:38.959 --> 02:43:40.920
us we we need to make sure that that

02:43:41.000 --> 02:43:42.840
we have appropriate land put aside that

02:43:42.920 --> 02:43:45.639
we have policy that is supportive of

02:43:45.719 --> 02:43:48.280
a range of different type of housing

02:43:48.360 --> 02:43:49.799
you know most of the counselors here in

02:43:49.879 --> 02:43:51.319
this this chamber over the last several

02:43:51.399 --> 02:43:53.000
years that I've been a part of it have

02:43:53.079 --> 02:43:54.920
been advocating for a range of different

02:43:55.000 --> 02:43:56.719
styled houses so that we don't just have

02:43:56.799 --> 02:44:00.559
the three and four bedroom open 

02:44:00.639 --> 02:44:02.520
sprawl out to the suburbs that we

02:44:02.600 --> 02:44:05.879
actually have good inner

02:44:05.959 --> 02:44:09.120
housing that is social and affordable

02:44:09.200 --> 02:44:11.360
that that is often a one and two

02:44:11.440 --> 02:44:15.000
bedroom option that escapes you

02:44:15.079 --> 02:44:16.799
know allows people to escape domestic

02:44:16.879 --> 02:44:20.239
violence and and other situations we

02:44:20.319 --> 02:44:22.079
as councilors every time we knock back

02:44:22.159 --> 02:44:24.040
we'll try to knock back

02:44:24.120 --> 02:44:27.520
development on a on a smaller scale

02:44:27.600 --> 02:44:29.879
we don't help the situation in that case

02:44:29.959 --> 02:44:32.600
so we've got a role to play but

02:44:32.680 --> 02:44:34.760
equally yes I do take the point the the

02:44:34.840 --> 02:44:36.799
heavy lifting needs to be done by the

02:44:36.879 --> 02:44:38.879
state and federal government thank you

02:44:38.959 --> 02:44:41.799
councelor Maloney Council speaking

02:44:41.879 --> 02:44:43.920
against the motion speaking for the

02:44:44.000 --> 02:44:45.879
motion Council McIntosh  through you

02:44:45.959 --> 02:44:49.280
Mr Mayor  yes concur with MO most of

02:44:49.360 --> 02:44:52.200
what the councilors have said I think

02:44:52.280 --> 02:44:55.879
that we do have that role in advocacy

02:44:55.959 --> 02:44:58.399
but we've also got another role in

02:44:58.479 --> 02:45:01.319
making available what we have got and it

02:45:01.399 --> 02:45:03.799
shouldn't always be about building

02:45:03.879 --> 02:45:07.159
something new further out somewhere else

02:45:07.239 --> 02:45:10.399
I recall  a

02:45:10.479 --> 02:45:13.040
particular agency that came to council a

02:45:13.120 --> 02:45:15.239
number of years ago looking at offering

02:45:15.319 --> 02:45:18.479
a solution for some of the challenges

02:45:18.559 --> 02:45:19.920
that

02:45:20.000 --> 02:45:22.159
some women that were threatened in their

02:45:22.239 --> 02:45:25.000
current spaces looking at a solution for

02:45:25.079 --> 02:45:26.559
them that was very Central that was

02:45:26.639 --> 02:45:29.360
surrounded by people in a lovely area

02:45:29.440 --> 02:45:33.399
but building code and requirements

02:45:33.479 --> 02:45:35.760
from our local Council made it very

02:45:35.840 --> 02:45:38.600
difficult to take the steps forward I

02:45:38.680 --> 02:45:41.799
know that a lot of these  codes come

02:45:41.879 --> 02:45:44.280
from state government as well so there's

02:45:44.360 --> 02:45:46.239
a lot of challenge that we have hence it

02:45:46.319 --> 02:45:49.200
takes it back to advocacy so you know

02:45:49.280 --> 02:45:51.319
there's there's a lot we can do I I know

02:45:51.399 --> 02:45:53.600
I'm part of the ballat Rotary Club

02:45:53.680 --> 02:45:56.040
and our club has provided 8,000 lers of

02:45:56.120 --> 02:45:59.479
milk to the soup bus recently or over

02:45:59.559 --> 02:46:01.440
a little period of time but there's

02:46:01.520 --> 02:46:03.760
clearly a message there there's clearly

02:46:03.840 --> 02:46:07.040
a need we've also as a council seen the

02:46:07.120 --> 02:46:11.280
challenged spectacular Heritage stand

02:46:11.360 --> 02:46:14.239
down at white flat being lived in being

02:46:14.319 --> 02:46:17.000
burnt  and and the communities that

02:46:17.079 --> 02:46:18.840
play sport around that area being threat

02:46:18.920 --> 02:46:21.319
threatened by the dangers that are

02:46:21.399 --> 02:46:23.680
associated with  people sleeping rough

02:46:23.760 --> 02:46:25.280
and and needing special accommodation

02:46:25.360 --> 02:46:27.879
and needing wraparound Support Services

02:46:27.959 --> 02:46:29.559
you know there's there's a lot more to

02:46:29.639 --> 02:46:31.440
this it's not an easy solution it's not

02:46:31.520 --> 02:46:33.760
a quick fix and we can't just say are

02:46:33.840 --> 02:46:34.959
we're going to do this social and

02:46:35.040 --> 02:46:37.159
affordable housing and it'll all be okay

02:46:37.239 --> 02:46:39.680
it's not up to us solely but there is a

02:46:39.760 --> 02:46:43.239
big part that we can deliver on and and

02:46:43.319 --> 02:46:47.120
mostly it is about advocacy however I

02:46:47.200 --> 02:46:49.760
walk down this street day after day and

02:46:49.840 --> 02:46:51.879
I see all of those upper levels and I

02:46:51.959 --> 02:46:54.000
see all of the challenges with building

02:46:54.079 --> 02:46:56.440
code  there's many people that would

02:46:56.520 --> 02:46:59.399
love to activate those Heritage places

02:46:59.479 --> 02:47:01.239
and make them available for people in

02:47:01.319 --> 02:47:04.120
need and that's the sort of stuff that

02:47:04.200 --> 02:47:07.159
we can do there are opportunities we

02:47:07.239 --> 02:47:09.520
don't have to wait for whenever they're

02:47:09.600 --> 02:47:12.639
going to build out at deloma and lar

02:47:12.719 --> 02:47:14.319
Cent that sometimes we get these

02:47:14.399 --> 02:47:16.520
promises made and nothing happens but

02:47:16.600 --> 02:47:18.079
there are some opportunities that I

02:47:18.159 --> 02:47:22.760
believe we can  activate locally and

02:47:22.840 --> 02:47:25.239
they are here on our doorstep thank you

02:47:25.319 --> 02:47:27.639
councelor McIntosh Council speaking for

02:47:27.719 --> 02:47:30.200
the motion against the

02:47:30.280 --> 02:47:32.399
motion if not I'll put the motion all

02:47:32.479 --> 02:47:36.360
those in favor the motion is carried

02:47:36.440 --> 02:47:38.600
councilor's item 8.5 is the art gallery

02:47:38.680 --> 02:47:41.440
of bat board appointments move councelor

02:47:41.520 --> 02:47:43.680
Harris second and counselor Eddie

02:47:43.760 --> 02:47:46.799
councelor Harris thanks Mr Mayor just

02:47:46.879 --> 02:47:49.120
for councilors as it sort of

02:47:49.200 --> 02:47:51.280
reconstitutes a bit clunky some of

02:47:51.360 --> 02:47:53.399
these ones that are coming up it'll get

02:47:53.479 --> 02:47:55.639
more more sensor as we get a normal

02:47:55.719 --> 02:47:59.360
process going through but I think

02:47:59.440 --> 02:48:03.000
 L mlen to be frank I forgotten who

02:48:03.079 --> 02:48:06.799
the other member was Sy and S yeah S as

02:48:06.879 --> 02:48:09.280
well that they've both put in you

02:48:09.360 --> 02:48:11.840
know really good effort and we're

02:48:11.920 --> 02:48:13.639
looking forward to going forward with

02:48:13.719 --> 02:48:16.840
that that selection and the weird

02:48:16.920 --> 02:48:18.440
thing that this is this represents is

02:48:18.520 --> 02:48:20.399
that it's actually you know it has gone

02:48:20.479 --> 02:48:23.120
to the art gy board's actually voted on

02:48:23.200 --> 02:48:24.399
if you get what I mean and then it comes

02:48:24.479 --> 02:48:27.120
to us so it's always a conundrin

02:48:27.200 --> 02:48:28.840
 getting it right in terms of the

02:48:28.920 --> 02:48:31.799
governance of it but it is what it is

02:48:31.879 --> 02:48:34.000
thank you councilor Harris councilor

02:48:34.079 --> 02:48:36.120
Eddie is the second Noe councilor

02:48:36.200 --> 02:48:39.319
Maloney I just have a question Mr so the

02:48:39.399 --> 02:48:43.360
question I've got really is  how

02:48:43.440 --> 02:48:46.079
how is it that we sorry how how long do

02:48:46.159 --> 02:48:48.840
the terms of reference provide for for

02:48:48.920 --> 02:48:52.520
existing members to be consistently

02:48:52.600 --> 02:48:55.159
turned over so I guess I just want to

02:48:55.239 --> 02:48:57.440
make sure that there's there's ongoing

02:48:57.520 --> 02:49:00.200
replacement of board members that

02:49:00.280 --> 02:49:03.479
we don't just endorse a roll

02:49:03.559 --> 02:49:08.399
over director Dary able to comment 

02:49:08.479 --> 02:49:10.319
only able to comment probably as far as

02:49:10.399 --> 02:49:12.040
what the the report says and that

02:49:12.120 --> 02:49:13.920
they're staggered in a 12-month 2E and

02:49:14.000 --> 02:49:18.760
threeyear term so that  to avoid

02:49:18.840 --> 02:49:21.760
and exodus all at once or or or

02:49:21.840 --> 02:49:23.280
reappointment all at

02:49:23.360 --> 02:49:25.319
once but sorry is there an upper limit

02:49:25.399 --> 02:49:29.760
so I guess I'm getting at so do you

02:49:31.680 --> 02:49:34.000
yeah

02:49:34.079 --> 02:49:36.760
yeah the government support there's no

02:49:36.840 --> 02:49:38.639
son there's no sealing on terms of the

02:49:38.719 --> 02:49:42.040
times they can be ongoing I think is the

02:49:42.120 --> 02:49:43.920
question I would have to take that

02:49:44.000 --> 02:49:45.520
question on notice to have a look at the

02:49:45.600 --> 02:49:48.079
terms of reference of the Constitution

02:49:48.159 --> 02:49:50.479
for sure have it on hand read that back

02:49:50.559 --> 02:49:52.120
to

02:49:52.200 --> 02:49:55.680
councils council Eddie well just yeah I

02:49:55.760 --> 02:49:58.840
think just if there's not there

02:49:58.920 --> 02:49:59.559
should

02:49:59.639 --> 02:50:03.639
be thank you so council is any Council

02:50:03.719 --> 02:50:05.879
wishing to speak against the motion

02:50:05.959 --> 02:50:07.120
speak for the

02:50:07.200 --> 02:50:09.639
motion I'll put the motion all those in

02:50:09.719 --> 02:50:14.200
favor the motion is carried item 8.6

02:50:14.280 --> 02:50:15.959
post international travel far a

02:50:16.040 --> 02:50:18.879
Convention of Susan fed the intern

02:50:18.959 --> 02:50:21.879
conference

02:50:21.959 --> 02:50:25.079
2024 support of the UNESCO work that

02:50:25.159 --> 02:50:27.520
Susan has been doing any councelor

02:50:27.600 --> 02:50:28.440
wishing to

02:50:28.520 --> 02:50:31.040
move move councelor Harris second

02:50:31.120 --> 02:50:32.719
councelor Hargraves councelor Harris you

02:50:32.799 --> 02:50:35.040
have the

02:50:35.639 --> 02:50:39.520
floor just noting you Council Hargraves

02:50:39.600 --> 02:50:41.440
comment any other Council wishing to

02:50:41.520 --> 02:50:44.680
speak for the motion against the motion

02:50:44.760 --> 02:50:46.920
put the motion all those in favor the

02:50:47.000 --> 02:50:50.559
motion is carried council's item 8.7

02:50:50.639 --> 02:50:56.600
tender 4554 of 2324 Fleet repair panel

02:50:56.680 --> 02:51:00.760
is there a councelor wishing to move the

02:51:00.840 --> 02:51:03.879
motion move councelor Taylor seconded

02:51:03.959 --> 02:51:06.159
councelor Eddie councelor T have the

02:51:06.239 --> 02:51:10.639
floor  this is a big contract it's a

02:51:10.719 --> 02:51:14.479
jolly big contract  but is actually

02:51:14.559 --> 02:51:16.399
a panel so this is about all our 

02:51:16.479 --> 02:51:18.760
servicing of our vehicles our equipment

02:51:18.840 --> 02:51:21.520
 the maintenance wide and varied

02:51:21.600 --> 02:51:23.719
small and large  and everything in the

02:51:23.799 --> 02:51:27.159
middle  it does ask a few questions

02:51:27.239 --> 02:51:28.399
around what other opportunities are

02:51:28.479 --> 02:51:29.719
available in the future but at the

02:51:29.799 --> 02:51:32.200
moment we we have to do this if we try

02:51:32.280 --> 02:51:33.680
to do it in other ways it costs a lot

02:51:33.760 --> 02:51:35.520
more money but having a panel is the

02:51:35.600 --> 02:51:38.399
best way to do it and  and it's pretty

02:51:38.479 --> 02:51:40.440
straightforward  the process is there

02:51:40.520 --> 02:51:41.799
and we've even got all the details and

02:51:41.879 --> 02:51:43.440
confidentiality around the matrixes and

02:51:43.520 --> 02:51:45.799
the approvals  but happy to endorse

02:51:45.879 --> 02:51:48.520
the recommendation thank you councelor T

02:51:48.600 --> 02:51:50.719
councelor Eddie is the second discussion

02:51:50.799 --> 02:51:54.120
any other counselor counselor question

02:51:54.200 --> 02:51:56.840
yeah look I broadly speaking in favor

02:51:56.920 --> 02:52:00.399
of having a wide panel I'm a bit

02:52:00.479 --> 02:52:03.399
concerned at times of having

02:52:03.479 --> 02:52:06.879
 a lot of work go to one or two

02:52:06.959 --> 02:52:11.280
parties when panels are provided so

02:52:11.360 --> 02:52:13.399
the question I have is3 Mr Mayor to our

02:52:13.479 --> 02:52:15.719
finance director Mr hler

02:52:15.799 --> 02:52:19.840
can our future annual report reports

02:52:19.920 --> 02:52:22.959
articulate the total spend that go to

02:52:23.040 --> 02:52:26.200
some of the contracted parties once

02:52:26.280 --> 02:52:28.159
it's above a certain threshold so I'm

02:52:28.239 --> 02:52:29.840
not suggesting you go and articulate

02:52:29.920 --> 02:52:32.639
every single contract that we have but

02:52:32.719 --> 02:52:34.799
what I am suggesting though is that like

02:52:34.879 --> 02:52:36.799
other like state government departments

02:52:36.879 --> 02:52:39.760
tend to do now is that when you have a

02:52:39.840 --> 02:52:42.479
threshold reached and for us it might be

02:52:42.559 --> 02:52:45.200
$250,000 or half a million dollar that

02:52:45.280 --> 02:52:47.639
we articulate which companies are

02:52:47.719 --> 02:52:49.559
getting that R payer

02:52:49.639 --> 02:52:51.799
benefit thank you councilor Maloney

02:52:51.879 --> 02:52:54.440
director hler  three Mr May and thank

02:52:54.520 --> 02:52:56.440
you Council Maloney for the question

02:52:56.520 --> 02:52:58.479
currently Council follows I guess the

02:52:58.559 --> 02:53:00.200
model statements that are required by

02:53:00.280 --> 02:53:01.559
the auditor general for pres

02:53:01.639 --> 02:53:03.399
presentation of financial statements but

02:53:03.479 --> 02:53:05.120
there's no reason why we couldn't

02:53:05.200 --> 02:53:06.879
provide additional detail that's up to

02:53:06.959 --> 02:53:08.840
us in terms of the information that we

02:53:08.920 --> 02:53:10.680
choose to add in the report I'd have

02:53:10.760 --> 02:53:11.920
to take it on notice and give some

02:53:12.000 --> 02:53:14.040
further consideration in terms of what

02:53:14.120 --> 02:53:16.440
number of suppliers might be the right

02:53:16.520 --> 02:53:18.600
materiality level to set for the Pres

02:53:18.680 --> 02:53:21.079
ation so that it is actually useful

02:53:21.159 --> 02:53:23.000
information and not just long long

02:53:23.079 --> 02:53:24.399
copious

02:53:24.479 --> 02:53:27.159
list counc I just want to say I thank

02:53:27.239 --> 02:53:28.559
the director for that it's not

02:53:28.639 --> 02:53:30.040
reasonable for me to ask for any

02:53:30.120 --> 02:53:32.159
definitives now but I would appreciate a

02:53:32.239 --> 02:53:34.479
briefing to a future Council thank you y

02:53:34.559 --> 02:53:36.399
for sure thank you Council malani any

02:53:36.479 --> 02:53:38.159
other Council wishing to speak for the

02:53:38.239 --> 02:53:41.159
motion against the motion I'll put the

02:53:41.239 --> 02:53:46.280
motion all those in favor the motion is

02:53:46.360 --> 02:53:49.280
carried item 8.8 contracts approval

02:53:49.360 --> 02:53:51.120
delegated committee minutes largely

02:53:51.200 --> 02:53:53.040
procedural move councelor tayor seconded

02:53:53.120 --> 02:53:56.079
councelor Harris any discussion

02:53:56.159 --> 02:53:58.600
counselors if not put the mo sorry

02:53:58.680 --> 02:54:01.559
councelor Maloney have a

02:54:01.639 --> 02:54:03.520
question

02:54:03.600 --> 02:54:05.920
no not I'll put the motion councilors

02:54:06.000 --> 02:54:10.479
all those in favor against the motion is

02:54:10.559 --> 02:54:14.520
carried item 8.9 councilor's instrument

02:54:14.600 --> 02:54:18.000
of Delegation largely procedural motion

02:54:18.079 --> 02:54:22.040
is councelor willing to move the motion

02:54:22.120 --> 02:54:24.520
move councelor Harris seconded

02:54:24.600 --> 02:54:27.799
counselor Eddie any discussion

02:54:27.879 --> 02:54:29.799
councilors if not I'll put the motion

02:54:29.879 --> 02:54:33.680
all those in favor against the motion is

02:54:33.760 --> 02:54:37.520
carried item 8.10 again instrument of

02:54:37.600 --> 02:54:40.239
appointment and authorization largely

02:54:40.319 --> 02:54:42.639
procedural again move councelor Harris

02:54:42.719 --> 02:54:44.559
seconded

02:54:44.639 --> 02:54:47.399
councelor McIntosh any discussion

02:54:47.479 --> 02:54:49.399
counselors

02:54:49.479 --> 02:54:51.000
not I'll put the motion all those in

02:54:51.079 --> 02:54:54.200
favor against the motion is

02:54:54.280 --> 02:54:57.639
carried item 8.11 legislative update to

02:54:57.719 --> 02:54:59.920
governance rules and election period

02:55:00.000 --> 02:55:02.399
policy which changes because of

02:55:02.479 --> 02:55:05.159
caretaker coming forward  Council

02:55:05.239 --> 02:55:08.000
Maloney happy to move but just first

02:55:08.079 --> 02:55:11.000
a quick question to  three to the

02:55:11.079 --> 02:55:14.639
governance manager mcgomery just

02:55:14.719 --> 02:55:17.559
to clarify that the only change in this

02:55:17.639 --> 02:55:19.040
is the

02:55:19.120 --> 02:55:21.000
 length of the caretaker period is

02:55:21.079 --> 02:55:24.319
that correct Mr Montgomery yes and thank

02:55:24.399 --> 02:55:26.360
you for the question  counselor that

02:55:26.440 --> 02:55:28.239
is correct the only change is

02:55:28.319 --> 02:55:30.040
following the Integrity  regulations

02:55:30.120 --> 02:55:32.319
or Integrity act that was passed and

02:55:32.399 --> 02:55:34.200
that is an additional seven days to

02:55:34.280 --> 02:55:36.520
total 39 days which has been amended in

02:55:36.600 --> 02:55:39.280
that policy thank you happy to move

02:55:39.360 --> 02:55:43.040
Council money seconded by councelor any

02:55:43.120 --> 02:55:45.120
any discussion councilors councelor

02:55:45.200 --> 02:55:47.920
Maloney try to be quick  look as

02:55:48.000 --> 02:55:49.719
someone who has been very public in

02:55:49.799 --> 02:55:52.600
saying I'm not running the upcoming

02:55:52.680 --> 02:55:54.959
elections I'm very glad that we live in

02:55:55.040 --> 02:55:58.000
a country where we articulate The

02:55:58.079 --> 02:56:00.040
Rules of Engagement during election

02:56:00.120 --> 02:56:03.719
periods and you know I do encourage

02:56:03.799 --> 02:56:05.920
people as we head into the election

02:56:06.000 --> 02:56:07.840
period if you you know especially the

02:56:07.920 --> 02:56:12.079
changed Approach at a VC level where

02:56:12.159 --> 02:56:14.159
 land owners outside the municipality

02:56:14.239 --> 02:56:17.559
are required to register to to vote that

02:56:17.639 --> 02:56:18.719
um

02:56:18.799 --> 02:56:20.719
voting for your local Representatives an

02:56:20.799 --> 02:56:22.840
important part of democracy and even

02:56:22.920 --> 02:56:24.760
while I won't be personally part of that

02:56:24.840 --> 02:56:26.760
I'll be certainly keeping an eye on

02:56:26.840 --> 02:56:28.760
you lot to make sure that I I vote

02:56:28.840 --> 02:56:32.040
accordingly so I endorse the policy

02:56:32.120 --> 02:56:33.159
and it's great to see that we've got

02:56:33.239 --> 02:56:35.360
this riger thank you thank you Council

02:56:35.440 --> 02:56:38.600
Maloney Council Eddie the second no any

02:56:38.680 --> 02:56:40.120
further discussion council is for the

02:56:40.200 --> 02:56:43.120
motion against the motion put the motion

02:56:43.200 --> 02:56:46.520
all those in favor against the item is

02:56:46.600 --> 02:56:49.120
carried item made point 12 outstanding

02:56:49.200 --> 02:56:50.840
Question Time items for information

02:56:50.920 --> 02:56:52.440
councilors councelor Harris move

02:56:52.520 --> 02:56:54.399
councelor Hargraves second any

02:56:54.479 --> 02:56:55.520
discussion

02:56:55.600 --> 02:56:57.479
counselors not I'll put the motion all

02:56:57.559 --> 02:57:00.840
those in favor the motion is carried

02:57:00.920 --> 02:57:04.159
item nine notice of motion nil item 10

02:57:04.239 --> 02:57:07.360
reports from committees and councilors

02:57:07.440 --> 02:57:10.520
counselors councilor

02:57:10.600 --> 02:57:13.920
coats yes Mr Mayor as a co-chair of the

02:57:14.000 --> 02:57:16.239
career engagement Action Group would

02:57:16.319 --> 02:57:18.879
just like to  publicly for the minutes

02:57:18.959 --> 02:57:21.840
thank thank all of the organizations

02:57:21.920 --> 02:57:24.639
involved in the collaboration for Natok

02:57:24.719 --> 02:57:27.120
week and particularly the launch and the

02:57:27.200 --> 02:57:31.360
and the flag raising in early July so

02:57:31.440 --> 02:57:34.479
it was a terrific collaboration between

02:57:34.559 --> 02:57:37.879
between the Wang traditional owners

02:57:37.959 --> 02:57:41.600
Corporation Bak bat and District abor

02:57:41.680 --> 02:57:45.280
Aboriginal cooperative and city of

02:57:45.360 --> 02:57:47.200
bat and that's actually the first time

02:57:47.280 --> 02:57:49.040
that the three organiz gz ations have

02:57:49.120 --> 02:57:51.479
collaborated for an opening event like

02:57:51.559 --> 02:57:53.479
that so it was really significant and it

02:57:53.559 --> 02:57:55.840
was the biggest naok opening that we

02:57:55.920 --> 02:57:58.719
we've had that I can remember there were

02:57:58.799 --> 02:58:03.159
possibly 300 people or so councelor

02:58:03.239 --> 02:58:06.559
Eddie and myself attended and

02:58:06.639 --> 02:58:09.600
director Matt Wilson acting as CEO at

02:58:09.680 --> 02:58:12.319
that time and yeah it was it was a great

02:58:12.399 --> 02:58:16.479
way to to kick off the the week and

02:58:16.559 --> 02:58:19.079
really bodess well for for for future

02:58:19.159 --> 02:58:21.959
events as well so thank the the Cy

02:58:22.040 --> 02:58:24.440
engagement action group members as well

02:58:24.520 --> 02:58:27.879
for their ongoing participation thank

02:58:27.959 --> 02:58:31.040
you councelor coats any other councilors

02:58:31.120 --> 02:58:32.399
councelor

02:58:32.479 --> 02:58:35.719
McIntosh  through Mr Mayor  this one

02:58:35.799 --> 02:58:40.079
is following up from a resident request

02:58:40.159 --> 02:58:42.879
 and and questioning around our trees

02:58:42.959 --> 02:58:45.639
and how we manage and look after them it

02:58:45.719 --> 02:58:49.120
came   director Robertson would be

02:58:49.200 --> 02:58:51.239
familiar with this one  we went up

02:58:51.319 --> 02:58:53.959
with David Turley to have a look at some

02:58:54.040 --> 02:58:55.639
trees that were planned to be removed in

02:58:55.719 --> 02:58:57.399
Matha Street as a result of the bike

02:58:57.479 --> 02:59:00.000
paths and their concern is there are

02:59:00.079 --> 02:59:03.639
fairly established trees however the

02:59:03.719 --> 02:59:06.079
reports from the council office is that

02:59:06.159 --> 02:59:08.280
they're constricted  possibly

02:59:08.360 --> 02:59:10.280
because of root growth and the way that

02:59:10.360 --> 02:59:12.319
we actually plant our trees and

02:59:12.399 --> 02:59:14.239
there's a number of other issues

02:59:14.319 --> 02:59:17.360
compaction and so on but in the

02:59:17.440 --> 02:59:18.639
conversation

02:59:18.719 --> 02:59:21.879
there was also some discussion as to

02:59:21.959 --> 02:59:24.000
many trees that have had to be removed

02:59:24.079 --> 02:59:26.079
in other parts of the municipality as

02:59:26.159 --> 02:59:29.760
well for for similar reasons and

02:59:29.840 --> 02:59:34.000
there a need  for probably replacement

02:59:34.079 --> 02:59:36.520
of around 6,000 trees across the

02:59:36.600 --> 02:59:40.200
municipality director Robertson is 

02:59:40.280 --> 02:59:42.879
not is there a difference in the number

02:59:42.959 --> 02:59:45.079
director Robertson through you Mr Mayor

02:59:45.159 --> 02:59:47.239
thank you Council M I'll just clarify

02:59:47.319 --> 02:59:49.719
the the six 6,000 trees referenced is

02:59:49.799 --> 02:59:52.440
that we recognize there are 6,000

02:59:52.520 --> 02:59:54.959
locations that don't have trees and that

02:59:55.040 --> 02:59:57.719
would be a remarkable project so it's

02:59:57.799 --> 03:00:00.079
not that they need replacing it's just

03:00:00.159 --> 03:00:03.079
it's been identified as a gap yeah okay

03:00:03.159 --> 03:00:06.479
sorry for Mis Mis misrepresenting

03:00:06.559 --> 03:00:10.120
that so 6,000 spots where trees need

03:00:10.200 --> 03:00:12.520
to be I know that we've done some

03:00:12.600 --> 03:00:14.680
significant work in this area over the

03:00:14.760 --> 03:00:18.040
years in in tree

03:00:18.120 --> 03:00:20.680
placement but also new trees for new

03:00:20.760 --> 03:00:23.319
areas  equally when I drive around

03:00:23.399 --> 03:00:25.479
when I walk around when I ride around

03:00:25.559 --> 03:00:27.639
when I push my little grandkids around

03:00:27.719 --> 03:00:31.000
our streets there are still many streets

03:00:31.079 --> 03:00:33.920
that are concrete Asheville and not with

03:00:34.000 --> 03:00:36.319
nature strips or anything

03:00:36.399 --> 03:00:39.959
green and I find that very hard and

03:00:40.040 --> 03:00:42.559
callous it's not a very nice feeling for

03:00:42.639 --> 03:00:45.120
our local residents to experience that

03:00:45.200 --> 03:00:47.360
so it was quite alarming for me to hear

03:00:47.440 --> 03:00:48.920
those feel

03:00:49.000 --> 03:00:51.159
I'm wondering Mr May if we could have a

03:00:51.239 --> 03:00:53.120
report come to assembly with the

03:00:53.200 --> 03:00:55.879
opportunity of following on report that

03:00:55.959 --> 03:00:57.840
might come to the chamber but in the

03:00:57.920 --> 03:00:59.719
beginning if we could have a report come

03:00:59.799 --> 03:01:04.440
to assembly that informs all of

03:01:04.520 --> 03:01:08.520
Council of these  significant details

03:01:08.600 --> 03:01:11.079
I think it's really important that we do

03:01:11.159 --> 03:01:13.360
understand these spaces 6,000 different

03:01:13.440 --> 03:01:15.520
spaces where there could be trayes it

03:01:15.600 --> 03:01:17.040
is a big project and all of these

03:01:17.120 --> 03:01:18.680
projects cost Mone Mone but what a

03:01:18.760 --> 03:01:20.479
beautiful project to work on what a very

03:01:20.559 --> 03:01:24.120
important healthy and and Visually

03:01:24.200 --> 03:01:27.000
appealing project as well and one that I

03:01:27.079 --> 03:01:29.079
know our community would be very

03:01:29.159 --> 03:01:32.440
grateful for us to consider these types

03:01:32.520 --> 03:01:36.040
of projects or concerns come up often 

03:01:36.120 --> 03:01:38.760
and I live in a street that is all ashel

03:01:38.840 --> 03:01:41.280
from fence to fence across the road

03:01:41.360 --> 03:01:43.879
other than the Bluestone  gutters and

03:01:43.959 --> 03:01:45.799
I know there are many other areas in

03:01:45.879 --> 03:01:49.120
Ballarat of similar ilk I just think

03:01:49.200 --> 03:01:52.600
when there's such a significant number

03:01:52.680 --> 03:01:55.239
 of opportunities or challenges for

03:01:55.319 --> 03:01:57.440
many that we should be aware of what

03:01:57.520 --> 03:02:00.479
that means and what the potential

03:02:00.559 --> 03:02:03.159
solutions could be so could there be a

03:02:03.239 --> 03:02:05.280
report please come back to the council

03:02:05.360 --> 03:02:07.399
assembly thank you absolutely thank you

03:02:07.479 --> 03:02:11.040
councilor McIntosh any other reports

03:02:11.120 --> 03:02:13.520
back from

03:02:13.600 --> 03:02:16.040
councilors if there are none councilors

03:02:16.120 --> 03:02:19.079
there are no items of Virgin business in

03:02:19.159 --> 03:02:21.280
section 66 there's only just the two

03:02:21.360 --> 03:02:23.200
documents for your information node

03:02:23.280 --> 03:02:25.639
decision making which brings us to the

03:02:25.719 --> 03:02:29.920
close of the meeting at 9:40 p.m. thank

03:02:30.000 --> 03:02:31.319
you counselors thank you to those

03:02:31.399 --> 03:02:33.360
residents if you've stuck with us online

03:02:33.440 --> 03:02:35.399
thank you for joining in and we'll see

03:02:35.479 --> 03:02:39.680
you next time good night